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Post by Brent on Oct 10, 2009 3:15:40 GMT -5
Watch before judging.
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Post by Maarten on Oct 10, 2009 7:46:42 GMT -5
But what if that theoreticized divine being revealed Himself to me?
This would mean it is intrested in this universe, intrested in mankind, and still exists, and is able to make contact with me, aware of our tiny planet.
And if, living in a relationship with that divine being He shows Himself to be kind and loving to me, I could also get in insight in His nature.
I can verify all of the above statements. So either God exists, I am hallucinating, or I'm being deceived by aliens. Here faith kicks in to choose for the first option, because I have no indication of the second two.
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Oct 10, 2009 8:04:21 GMT -5
hai guys im really smart and i know evryting and therfor the most logical person ther is
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Post by sayallowedaloud on Oct 10, 2009 10:20:10 GMT -5
Pretty much a lame video
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Post by Josh on Oct 10, 2009 11:02:29 GMT -5
hai guys im really smart and i know evryting and therfor the most logical person ther is
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 10, 2009 14:32:54 GMT -5
I see no point in trying to show something does not exist when without its existence there is no point / meaning. If in the end we are all doomed to death / our entire existence will decease how can a meaning exist?
Without God, why would there be any basis for me to "treat" others in a good manner if there is no benefit to me (or I guess you could even say my offspring) in the end? Would there ever be any justifiable reason to be good to another human who is a total stranger totally nonrelated to me? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what is the basis for practicing morality without the existence of God.
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Post by Muffy on Oct 10, 2009 14:36:54 GMT -5
If I didn't believe in God, I would have killed myself by now.
So don't tell me my faith isn't worth anything.
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Post by notavailable on Oct 10, 2009 15:03:28 GMT -5
You apparently didn't watch the video past the 3 minute mark.
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Post by sayallowedaloud on Oct 10, 2009 20:33:41 GMT -5
I see no point in trying to show something does not exist when without its existence there is no point / meaning. If in the end we are all doomed to death / our entire existence will decease how can a meaning exist? Without God, why would there be any basis for me to "treat" others in a good manner if there is no benefit to me (or I guess you could even say my offspring) in the end? Would there ever be any justifiable reason to be good to another human who is a total stranger totally nonrelated to me? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what is the basis for practicing morality without the existence of God. I've heard it argued before that Morality doesnt need god to exist....unfortunately i dont quite remeber how the perspective was worded...
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Post by Brent on Oct 10, 2009 22:21:00 GMT -5
But what if that theoreticized divine being revealed Himself to me? This would mean it is intrested in this universe, intrested in mankind, and still exists, and is able to make contact with me, aware of our tiny planet. And if, living in a relationship with that divine being He shows Himself to be kind and loving to me, I could also get in insight in His nature. I can verify all of the above statements. So either God exists, I am hallucinating, or I'm being deceived by aliens. Here faith kicks in to choose for the first option, because I have no indication of the second two. Congrats, you can verify all the above, but I can't. Personal experience is fallacious. I see no point in trying to show something does not exist when without its existence there is no point / meaning. If in the end we are all doomed to death / our entire existence will decease how can a meaning exist? Without God, why would there be any basis for me to "treat" others in a good manner if there is no benefit to me (or I guess you could even say my offspring) in the end? Would there ever be any justifiable reason to be good to another human who is a total stranger totally nonrelated to me? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what is the basis for practicing morality without the existence of God. Who said there was a meaning of life? It's a completely man-made concept. You treat others the way you want to be treated. It justifies life, we as human beings have the power of critical thinking, even animals work together. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_moralityOMG WIKI OMG UNRELIABLE It comes down to what you think is right vs. wrong. Subjective vs. objective, etc. We've discussed this stuff
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 11, 2009 1:47:12 GMT -5
Some have said that "fear is the mother of morality."
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Post by Maarten on Oct 11, 2009 5:09:59 GMT -5
Personal experience is fallacious. Why is personal experience fallacious? Also, this video is quite hypocritical, it blaims theïsts for being annoying about their religion, but for most theïsts this video does just that, only with a non-theïst world view.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 11, 2009 5:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Oct 11, 2009 7:24:11 GMT -5
I agree, we're just sacks of chemicals with no purpose or reason for existance.
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Post by davo on Oct 11, 2009 13:13:18 GMT -5
this isn't being stickied as it's just going to turn into yet another existence of God debate.
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