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Post by polarbear on Jan 11, 2009 9:38:03 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me if this song is about Christ or not.
Because if it is, I'm sort of shocked or I've just misunderstood the song.
"And then I stepped into the light
I heard His voice, I saw His face
And then He stood there before me
A man buried but never dead"
Do they claim that Jesus never died? That absurd. 1Cor.15
I do love their music, so I would only get this clear.
God bless
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Post by runny on Jan 11, 2009 9:39:39 GMT -5
Oh sweet, your from norway
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Post by ecclesiastes on Jan 11, 2009 10:05:26 GMT -5
The song IS about Christ form what I gather, it would be pretty blasphemous to say that anyone else "is alive and reigns forever".
Anyhow, that line kind of irked me too, but I think he's saying that Jesus was never dead in the sense that even when He died his purpose lived on. It could also be argued that the Father and Spirit were still alive during Jesus' death, and in a sense God can never truly "die".
I think that overall Wisdom meant that Jesus never died on a symbolic level. Think of it as how Jesus said that Lazarus wasn't really dead but "only sleeping". And also in the first "chorus" section of the song Wisdom says "I watched Him DIE" so clearly it's just a slight contradiction in the lyrics. I'm sure if you were to ask BTA themselves, they would say that they do, in fact, believe that Jesus died.
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Post by safehaven on Jan 11, 2009 15:47:18 GMT -5
Self-existent is a phrase normally used in theology to refer to the fact that God is not dependent on something else for His existence. Because of this, His life can't be taken away. Christ did die in the flesh, but He could never die in the ultimate sense because He is God and self-existent. I believe this is what Wisdom was referring to in the lyrics.
Though, I must admit I had the same thought when I heard the lyrics.
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Post by dlectronic on Jan 11, 2009 22:15:01 GMT -5
Self-existent is a phrase normally used in theology to refer to the fact that God is not dependent on something else for His existence. Because of this, His life can't be taken away. Christ did die in the flesh, but He could never die in the ultimate sense because He is God and self-existent. I believe this is what Wisdom was referring to in the lyrics. Though, I must admit I had the same thought when I heard the lyrics. Your explanation works for me. I didnt really read all the lyrics to this song..just the end. noobish of me. Well I read the lyrics straight to my 53 year old father who has no taste for metal whatsoever. I read him the lyrics and i pointed out that particular line. In an instant, he said "Well I dont think it means Jesus never died at all. It was saying though physical death occurred, the Spirit of God cannot be killed." Havent even showed him the song..Lets just say his (my dads) metal lyrical interpretation skills usually just say, "That metaphor goes too far, I dont like it" in an instant. So if I have been clear, it should help solidify that Jason was reffering to the fact that Christ died only a physical death. Mod Edit: Merged double-post. |
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Jan 12, 2009 1:10:22 GMT -5
Yup, y'all already said it really.
Christ came as the God-Man. Part God, part man. His "man" part died at the cross, of course, but he never truely died in fullness because of his other part. I think that's right theologically... lol.
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Post by Solid on Jan 12, 2009 2:14:37 GMT -5
Wisdom told me he thought this might cause controversy...
"C. S. Lewis used the figure of Merlin Ambrosius in his 1946 novel That Hideous Strength, the third book in the Space Trilogy. In it, Merlin has supposedly lain asleep for centuries to be awakened for the battle against the materialistic agents of the devil, able to consort with the angelic powers because he came from a time when sorcery was not yet a corrupt art."
...I love Wikipedia.
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Post by Ferd Berfel on Jan 12, 2009 12:22:29 GMT -5
*sigh*
The use of poetic metaphor is all but dead today. It makes me sad that people are so quick to take things like this literally...
Anyway, Safehaven got it right.
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Post by Van Zan on Jan 12, 2009 14:02:57 GMT -5
Wow, so obviously not talking in the physical sense.
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Post by safehaven on Jan 12, 2009 18:57:56 GMT -5
Wisdom told me he thought this might cause controversy... "C. S. Lewis used the figure of Merlin Ambrosius in his 1946 novel That Hideous Strength, the third book in the Space Trilogy. In it, Merlin has supposedly lain asleep for centuries to be awakened for the battle against the materialistic agents of the devil, able to consort with the angelic powers because he came from a time when sorcery was not yet a corrupt art." ...I love Wikipedia. Interesting. |
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Post by Wisdom on Jan 12, 2009 19:53:17 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me if this song is about Christ or not. Because if it is, I'm sort of shocked or I've just misunderstood the song. "And then I stepped into the light I heard His voice, I saw His face And then He stood there before me A man buried but never dead" Do they claim that Jesus never died? That absurd. 1Cor.15 I do love their music, so I would only get this clear. God bless I knew that would come up. The lyrics to this song (like most of the songs) has 2 parts. It is about Merlin in That Hideous Strength by CS Lewis but it is also about Christ. For that line in particular it is a direct quote about Merlin. Sorry about the confusion. |
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Post by safehaven on Jan 12, 2009 20:16:29 GMT -5
See kids, Wisdom doesn't believe in the swoon theory. Case closed.
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Post by Solid on Jan 12, 2009 22:52:35 GMT -5
I knew that would come up. I SAID THAT ALREADY!  |
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Post by ÈpÓçh on Jan 13, 2009 15:07:21 GMT -5
do you think he meant that Christ never stayed dead.
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Post by Wisdom on Jan 13, 2009 16:48:57 GMT -5
This is also the reason the song's 2 names are "The Tomb" and "The Sage". The former for the part that is about Christ and the latter for the part that is about Merlin.
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