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Post by clareabel on Sept 29, 2009 1:26:31 GMT -5
I dunno but I'm not gonna respond.
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Sept 29, 2009 1:28:43 GMT -5
I don't understand people anymore, I think.
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Post by scribe on Sept 29, 2009 7:15:14 GMT -5
How do you value your what you contribute of to at the work force??? Which do you most can't the least???
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Post by Maarten on Sept 29, 2009 7:18:56 GMT -5
I feel the same about many of the churches of that type. This is possibly why I enjoy more traditional services- they are actually in many ways easier to glorify God through than a so-called free church, as they're often just so off the mark. Personally, I think traditions, customs and liturgies screw a service up completely. I know I'm not original, screw that, sometimes the standard opinion is the right one. Man-made regulations = less space for Spirit. 'Free' churches however also screw up all the time. I've been in liturgical services that I liked, and I've been in 'free' services that I hated; the churches where I like every service however are never liturgical, it's the churches where everybody comes there for God, and everybody is open to the Spirit, and where the Spirit leads the service. I don't care if this makes me a standard charismatic person, I'm just gonna listen to the Holy Spirit, and do what he says, rather than what man-made liturgies, traditions, and customs try to make me do.
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Post by Ferd Berfel on Sept 29, 2009 11:59:56 GMT -5
Here's the thing that everyone here is completely ignoring:
The Bible never gives a set format for church. Hell, the Bible doesn't even directly tell us to go to church; it just tells us to fellowship and worship together.
Who says that church has to be "free" and without ritual? Man. Who says that church has to have rituals in order to worship God? Again, it's man.
God speaks to each of us in a personal way; He speaks to us through personal revelation. If God told me that worshiping Him involved wearing blue jeans every Tuesday, then I would wear blue jeans every Tuesday. That doesn't mean that everyone else has to, that just means that I am responsible for that.
The difference in doctrine and services between churches has to do with personal revelation; some people feel that God wants it one way, and so they do that. For those people, it makes sense. Some other people feel that God wants it a different way, so they do it that way. For them, it makes perfect sense.
The argument comes when we don't accept the fact that there will be differences in such a large organization. Humans are interpreting a book that is rather old, and when that happens there will be discrepancies in how it's interpreted.
Stop trying to argue "THIS WAY IS BETTER OMGAJJKAJKAKCMC!!!1!@!2!@!!1!!12@!!1!" It's not going to get anywhere, and in all reality, no one is authorized to say which one of them is "right". Personal revelation makes all the difference in the world; if I go to a baptist church, that does not make me any better than a Catholic, a Lutheran, a Pentecostal, or any other of the thousands of denominations that are out there.
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Post by Van Zan on Sept 29, 2009 12:36:49 GMT -5
BACKPEDAL FASTER BRO *feels so cool* Lol. Conner I can't stay mad at you.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 29, 2009 14:00:45 GMT -5
Definition of church - a group of christians worshiping / fellowshipping together
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Post by davo on Sept 29, 2009 14:01:44 GMT -5
clare:
the reason i was agreeing with the issue with Protestantism is the lack of regulation that many of these churches have. i know that again this is man-made regulation but two heads (or more) tend to be better than one, and prevent the church from getting to a point where the theology taught is purely unbiblical. a hierachical system within which only those trained in biblical theology can enter full-time ministry makes more sense because this leaves less opportunity for cultish activities to occur.
does that make sense?
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Post by Scott on Sept 29, 2009 15:09:15 GMT -5
All I know is that liturgy has been designed and refined over centuries to bring about an atmosphere of pure devotion to God. My mind wanders greatly in a Protestant church and service. Not so in an Orthodox one.
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Post by Van Zan on Sept 29, 2009 16:49:20 GMT -5
The early church practiced liturgy. I know of at least one point in Acts where the greek word used to say that the apostles worshiped specifically to ritual worship.
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Sept 30, 2009 13:05:32 GMT -5
The whole view that you take of religion (as I understand it from your repeated statements here) is that it should line up with your thought process, and all your personal preferances. That mentality will certainly lead you away from any kind of organized religion, organized Christianity most of all. The thing is, I do agree with the Nicene Creed of 381, but as far as any denominational doctrine goes, there isn't a single one that I agree with entirely, especially when they are making statements i.e. about the mechanism of creation, whether certain things in scripture are historically accurate, etc.
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Post by notavailable on Oct 2, 2009 12:51:31 GMT -5
It would seem that it is impossible to be a Christian.
Sigh.
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Post by conner on Oct 3, 2009 0:49:45 GMT -5
I do not exist, but faithfully insist
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 3, 2009 2:00:03 GMT -5
a ripple in still water
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runny
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Post by runny on Oct 3, 2009 2:06:21 GMT -5
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