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Post by The Worm on Jan 28, 2010 23:09:00 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised you would state your confusion regarding nocturnal emissions and make these statements in such a short amount of time. Plus, there really is no science, or doctrine that suggest not having an orgasm will cause your tubing or your nerves to stop working. Actually, lot's of people have proven that.
And if you are thinking about how unnatural it must be to not ever have an orgasm, than I would agree with you. Celibacy is a special gift and nobody should try it unless they are certain that they have this gift. The destruction of any otherwise situation has been proven by those crazy catholic priests. This (and many other reasons outside of the sexual realm) is why the bible has proposed marriage and sex with your wife as a necessary and expected step in your average person's life (but not when you're 50).
Posting Maslow's model was sort of redundant. He is just being fancy in saying what most of the secular world says about all those things all the time.
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 28, 2010 23:18:04 GMT -5
what if I don't get married? Am I suppose to go my whole life with the same sperm in my balls? If you do not ejaculate in some way, the old sperm gets broken down and its components are recycled by your body (I forget exactly how often, but it happens on a continual cycle of several days depending on when the sperm was made.). This is a way of reducing the risk of genetic defects in a child if one is conceived.
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Post by Brent on Jan 28, 2010 23:18:45 GMT -5
I never said if you don't orgasm nerves stop working, I just said when you under or over use a part of your body it can f**k you up. For example, if you don't take a s**t in weeks, you probably need to see your doctor. The body functions on cycles. WHAT IF I DON'T GET MARRIED. NOT EVERYONE GETS MARRIED. Look wormy, I'm pretty sure you don't have much of a sex drive, but that does not disprove Maslow's theory. I would like you to tell me right now that you do not desire any other lower order need on Maslow's chart. what if I don't get married? Am I suppose to go my whole life with the same sperm in my balls? If you do not ejaculate in some way, the old sperm gets broken down and its components are recycled by your body (I forget exactly how often, but it happens on a continual cycle of several days depending on when the sperm was made.). This is a way of reducing the risk of genetic defects in a child if one is conceived. or you have a wet dream
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 28, 2010 23:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah, wet dreams are pretty random, i.e. there have been times where I haven't masturbated in weeks or even months, and it won't happen, and yet there have been times where it happens in the same night in which I've already taken care of things shortly before falling asleep. I haven't looked up what causes them (if there has been any research on it, that is), but it's probably more of a mental thing rather than happening out of physical necessity
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Post by The Worm on Jan 28, 2010 23:48:50 GMT -5
I said marriage is a necessary step in life. Therefore, you not getting married is out of sync with, (dare I say it) God's design and plan.
Your example of bowel movements is totally different. Unlike not pooping for a week, not ejaculating isn't mortal. The point of what I am saying is that orgasms aren't crucial to your physiology.
And I never said that Maslow's theory is disproved, I just said that from the way you were arguing, your thoughts on sex and his were the same. His theory didn't add anything. Unless you were trying to say that he was a credible source that I should listen, then in that case you are just wrong.
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 28, 2010 23:56:27 GMT -5
And the reason why men have unlimited sperm is because sperm cells have very little protection from radiation damaging the genetic material in them, both due to their structure (very thin cell wall with nothing else really in it) and location (outside the body cavity), in addition to becoming structurally damaged by heat since they have to be kept a few degrees cooler than body temperature (If they get too warm, then the tails will get damaged so then they can't swim straight to reach an egg.).
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 29, 2010 0:14:13 GMT -5
Oh and where does the bible say you can't masturbate? The only passages I've seen people use to argue this is the one about Onan (which they hugely and blatantly misinterpret); or the one about avoiding sexual immorality, and it's a far stretch to equate the two because masturbation and lust are not mutually inclusive, plus that passage was probably meant to address things like infidelity anyways. So really, anyone who says masturbation is a sin is seeing stuff in the bible that just isn't there.
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Post by Brent on Jan 29, 2010 0:33:33 GMT -5
I said marriage is a necessary step in life. Therefore, you not getting married is out of sync with, (dare I say it) God's design and plan.
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 29, 2010 0:36:09 GMT -5
ANYWAYS, as for your op, I would've found that speaker annoying too, especially at his inability to answer your question.
I would say the Christians who told you those girls would go to hell are wrong. They're just as clueless as the speaker, and are probably hardcore five-point Calvinists as well (which I also find to be bulls**t).
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 29, 2010 0:48:32 GMT -5
I said marriage is a necessary step in life. Therefore, you not getting married is out of sync with, (dare I say it) God's design and plan. Right, so then the apostle Paul was going against God's plan [according to you] by remaining single and telling others in the church that it's actually good to be single so that you can focus more on doing the work of God if you are called to serve in that capacity?
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Post by Jeremy on Jan 29, 2010 0:51:35 GMT -5
I just remembered that there used to be a guy here (or maybe he's still here) that admired the beauty of the male body (in like an erotic way). Who was/is that?
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Post by Zhou Tai 04 on Jan 29, 2010 0:57:46 GMT -5
I just remembered that there used to be a guy here (or maybe he's still here) that admired the beauty of the male body (in like an erotic way). Who was/is that? I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 1849.
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Post by Brent on Jan 29, 2010 1:02:02 GMT -5
It seems contradictory that God gave us free-will but his plan is for us to get married, just saying.
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Post by Jeremy on Jan 29, 2010 1:07:23 GMT -5
ha! your right. thanks.
*refers to 1859's avatar*
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Post by Radiant Magnificence Alastair on Jan 29, 2010 1:20:17 GMT -5
It seems contradictory that God gave us free-will but his plan is for us to get married, just saying. Yeah, why doesn't he let us choose whether we want to be a female or male either?
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