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Post by Scott on Jul 10, 2010 8:35:42 GMT -5
Joel has returned!
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Post by Brent on Jul 10, 2010 17:16:48 GMT -5
I should just focus on ones that matter and continue beating your ass up and down the court. You mean avoiding addressing actual issues and just throwing ridiculous insults around? Yeah... you're definitely winning there. Aww, what a cute lil troll response. The ONLY issue is faith vs. logic and logic wins by default so all your "actual" issues besides that are completely arbitrary.
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Post by Scott on Jul 10, 2010 19:07:34 GMT -5
The ONLY issue is faith vs. logic If you wish to pursue such a dualistic mindset. That's cute.
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Post by Brent on Jul 10, 2010 19:13:46 GMT -5
logic is that cute girl in your class who takes your breath away with her stunning beauty
faith is the fat ugly loner girl who sits in the back and picks turds out of her ass and eats them
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Post by Metzuda on Jul 10, 2010 19:56:34 GMT -5
The ONLY issue is faith vs. logic and logic wins by default Which is where I am confused. If you're going with logic, the best you can get is agnostic. Atheism has less proof than theism does. Yet you keep posting stuff that compares logic and faith from an atheist perspective, whereas atheism is as much faith as theism.
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Post by Brent on Jul 10, 2010 20:07:41 GMT -5
There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove There is no burden of proof when you have nothing to prove
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Post by Radiant Magnificence Alastair on Jul 10, 2010 20:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by Scott on Jul 10, 2010 20:16:52 GMT -5
One might say that for the believer, the burden of proof is on the atheist. I can see why there are agnostics, after all.
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Post by Patrick on Jul 10, 2010 21:08:41 GMT -5
The ONLY issue is faith vs. logic and logic wins by default No, the only issue is logic where faith can either be used as a means to a logical end or not. That's the only issue that can be properly debated. Faith and logic are not inherantly at odds. All that matters is whether a belief system does good, does evil, or does nothing. Whether God exists or not is a secondary issue. We all of course have beliefs about it, but it doesn't matter for any meaningful debate.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 10, 2010 22:09:13 GMT -5
If someone wants to figure out if something is real or not it's their own responsibility to do so.
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Post by Brent on Jul 11, 2010 4:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by Shiv on Jul 11, 2010 7:14:44 GMT -5
Raped
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Post by Scott on Jul 11, 2010 9:02:43 GMT -5
I also love taking verses out of context.
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Post by Maarten on Jul 11, 2010 9:54:14 GMT -5
Taking verses out of context is the best.
1 Timothy 4:4 "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:"
Paul sayin' we get to eat all animals.
Ecclesiastes 3:18 "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals"
So man's just an animal, and we get to eat all animals.
Bible preaches cannibalism. I'd better think again about being a Christian...
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Post by Patrick on Jul 11, 2010 12:44:57 GMT -5
That was a specific message for one of the churches that Paul was writing to. If I recall correctly, that church hadn't yet gotten rid of all of its Pagan practices, and women in leadership were seducing the men. The point of Paul's letter here is to advise them in ways to help their church function propererly. If you go to the majority of Christian churches today, you will find that women have plenty of opportunities to speak, teach, preach, and there are often female pastors in many churches. When it comes to Scripture, context is king. And yes, we've been over this before, there are a small minority of scriptures that sound disturbing, and most Jews and Christians don't even understand them. Again, what matters in this debate are the big ethical questions of what the majority of Christian churches actually do or would do in a given situation. There are still a lot of unanswered questions in the small details of the faith, and those who believe have made peace with that fact.
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