Americas morals...(or lack there-of)

[And so it ends...]

Ok, so it is time for Phil to let you know how he feels!

The topic of todays discussion is 'mores'. The definition of Mores is the moral values of a country and/or nation. Lately I've noticed a steady decline in Americas so called 'moral values' (or lack there of).

What happened to the 10 commandments and prayer in 'public' schools? What happened to marriage being a loving relationship between a man and a woman? What happened to babies being born and not slaughtered for something they had nothing to do with?

Americas mores went down the crap hole when we took God out of puiblic schools. Our nation was founded around God, whether you like it or not, it was! Americas morals today are 'It's ok to be gay' or 'Kids, be careful when you have sex.' It sickens me to see how sin-induced our 'great country' really is.

I could go on for ages, but I don't feel that my rant will go anywhere but on this site.
So here it is! You've heard me speak and if you have a comment or problem with this, feel free to debate. I have nothing against good debates.

~Phil

www.freewebs.com/philscorner/

[Solid]

My thoughts...the end is coming, so nothing will get better, save all you can, and use what freedom to worship we still have...

[amoyensis]

So you want a Christian dictatorship?

[Keaton Kaðall the Horrible]

First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Just a thought.

[jontreg]

Well all I want to say is that this world is screwed up right now.

[iamcatholic]

kcoblentz said:

First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Just a thought.

Pssssh
The constitution is useless. It only applies when politicians want it to. ie: abortion.

Same with ours in Canada, its supposedly the sacred ideal, but our politicians have no ideals.

I'm agreed with solidstate, except that we should also be doing what we can to change the governments.

[amoyensis]

I just think it's interesting that Jesus intentionally avoided the topic of politics, yet Christians (like myself) endlessly debate politics with a faith-based subtext.

[Samhain]

Crap, all that stuff I typed didn't actually get posted. Oh well. It's more than just America. It's the whole world. Just b**ching about it doesn't change anything. Yes, we know that the world is only going to get worse and worse until after the tribulation. As for America's morals going down the drain, that obviously happened along time ago. Just look at the atrocious things America has been apart of. The Manifest Destiny, when we lied to, cheated, murdered, raped, and stole from the Indians, all in the name of God. Slavery, apparently they believed all men were created equal, unless you were black. The industrial revolution, though not all that bad, it did open the door for capitolism. How long did it take for woman to get the vote?Segragation, alright we'll give black people freedom, but they aren't allowed near us. During world war two, what were those camps called were we imprisoned any Asian immigrants. Then complained, and were shocked when we discovered those concentration camps in Germany. Vietnam, an illegal and pointless war. The abuse of our freedom of speech, and press. Public school, serves only as a means to manipulate students into learning only how to follow orders without question, in order to create a blind working class to fuel the economy, or to turn us into dispensible soldiers to be launched into war everytime the economy needs to be rebooted. I may bash America alot, but I am thankful I have the right to say these things. Some people would say I shouldn't complain, because I have these freedoms, but if I don't excersise these freedoms, then whats the point. I want things to change, and I may not succeed in changing anything, but hopefully someone will listen to what I say, and actually put things into action.

Pssssh
The constitution is useless. It only applies when politicians want it to.

That's because we let them. Just because they are in what appears to be a seat of power, doesn't mean we can't stop them.

My thoughts...the end is coming, so nothing will get better, save all you can, and use what freedom to worship we still have...

That's a lazy way to do things. It's that passivity that keeps this country in the rut it's in.

Americas mores went down the crap hole when we took God out of puiblic schools.

I reiterate, and expound. Public school was never about God, religion was only allowed because it was a useful tool for manipulation. Then when they took God out because some atheist got offended that his kid had to hear God in the pledge of allegiance. This caused uproar, causing people to split over the way schools should be run. This was a good thing. The system has caught up, proving the existence of internal problems. Well, that's enough ranting for now.

[mathetes]

I don't know that Jesus ever wanted his will to be institutionalized through government. I think all that Jesus wanted was for his followers to be archetypes of God's love (and God is love). I think Christians these days complain too much about homosexuality and the "direction" of America. If Christians were more focused on loving sinners rather than controlling them, we'd have a more Christian America, because more people would be inclined to join Chrinistianity. Jesus was the friend of sinners. Are we? I'd rather save 1 homosexual than stop 1000 of them from marrying.

As for the 10 commandments--it's sad that America has abandoned them, but the objective of Christ was never governmetnal--it was personal and relational.

[amoyensis]

mathetes said:

I'd rather save 1 homosexual than stop 1000 of them from marrying.

Very well-said.

[koihoshi]

mathetes said:

I don't know that Jesus ever wanted his will to be institutionalized through government. I think all that Jesus wanted was for his followers to be archetypes of God's love (and God is love). I think Christians these days complain too much about homosexuality and the "direction" of America. If Christians were more focused on loving sinners rather than controlling them, we'd have a more Christian America, because more people would be inclined to join Chrinistianity. Jesus was the friend of sinners. Are we? I'd rather save 1 homosexual than stop 1000 of them from marrying.

As for the 10 commandments--it's sad that America has abandoned them, but the objective of Christ was never governmetnal--it was personal and relational.

agreed with amoyensis that is very well said, that whole bit.

[And so it ends...]

mathetes said:

As for the 10 commandments--it's sad that America has abandoned them, but the objective of Christ was never governmetnal--it was personal and relational.

Im sorry I cannot agree with you on the fact that the 'objective of Christ was never governmental'--
America was founded upon and by Godly men who set in place the values and belief of God. Therefore, it was 'governmental'

[amoyensis]

That's extremely illogical. You're saying that, since the USA was founded by Christians with Christian values, Jesus must have intended it to happen. Or in other words, since it happened, Jesus wanted it to happen. It's so absurd.

America was founded by people in the 18th century, not by Jesus. The teachings of Jesus do not change based on what other people do in his name.

[Samhain]

Right. Otherwise Jesus would be a really bad person when you look at the catholic church in the dark ages, the crusades, and the manifest destiny. America was not even entirely based on christian beliefs, at least two of the "founding fathers" were atheist. Ben Franklin was a deist. Most of the constitution was based on Enlightenment teachings.

[Solid]

Masons...yes, they lived in Greensburg. (pop trivia)