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Post by Derwydd. on Sept 21, 2005 20:27:38 GMT -5
I've been upset with them after seeing the show they put on at C-Stone. They completely ruined the majority of the songs. In fact, the first song they played (I was too upset to remember which one) the drummer just stopped because he messed up. When I saw them with BTA, the drums were the most impressive part. It just seems like to me that they care more about being as popular as they can, instead of making the best music they can. It's not the new stuff isn't bad, just that it isn't their best, and I personally have problems with bands who can play better music but choose not to. p.s. No offense to anyone who likes the new stuff. I just needed to vent a little bit. well said i have yet to see them live though... some friends of mine camped out beside them at C-stone, i'm so bitter |
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Post by Solid on Sept 21, 2005 23:28:44 GMT -5
They put on an awesome show...at least they did when I saw them with BTA in Springfield.
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Post by Music Is Everything on Sept 22, 2005 0:36:03 GMT -5
What the hell happened? Where is the metal? don't get me wrong i still like it, i'm just confused, everyone was looking for them and BTA to bring back real metal. Looks like its just up to BTA now. Um..where exactly did Real metal go ? Real metal has disappeared and been replaced with Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some real metal bands left, they are just few and far between especially in the Christian market. (the last good one was Living Sacrifice). by the way black metal doesn't count as real metal because it came afterward. |
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Post by PostScriptum on Sept 22, 2005 8:08:14 GMT -5
Black metal appeared in the 80s btw
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Post by John on Sept 22, 2005 11:40:16 GMT -5
I'm so dissapointed, there old stuff was so cool, what happened, what happened, what happened.
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Post by centurionoutpost on Sept 22, 2005 18:41:36 GMT -5
Um..where exactly did Real metal go ? Real metal has disappeared and been replaced with Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some real metal bands left, they are just few and far between especially in the Christian market. (the last good one was Living Sacrifice). by the way black metal doesn't count as real metal because it came afterward. Are you joking? There are hundreds of real metal bands such as Aletheian, Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, Tourniquet, and Sympathy to name a few. Black metal has been around since the late eighties, so therefore it came first. Also BTA, Later Living Sacrifice, and The Showdown still share alot of similarties with metalcore. |
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Post by pilot on Sept 22, 2005 18:54:20 GMT -5
Real metal has disappeared and been replaced with Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some real metal bands left, they are just few and far between especially in the Christian market. (the last good one was Living Sacrifice). by the way black metal doesn't count as real metal because it came afterward. Are you joking? There are hundreds of real metal bands such as Aletheian, Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, Tourniquet, and Sympathy to name a few. Black metal has been around since the late eighties, so therefore it came first. Also BTA, Later Living Sacrifice, and The Showdown still share alot of similarties with metalcore. That's true, but BTA is different for one reason. They write some metalcore stuff because it's good music, not because it's the popular style right now. Unlike some other bands. And that is why BTA is metal. ;D ;D |
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Post by amoyensis on Sept 22, 2005 21:00:35 GMT -5
I was talking with Dave at Cornerstone. He said that this song might seem really pop-ish, but it's basically meant to show mainstream labels what they're capable as far as hit-making is concerned, and the rest of the album still has its heavy moments. There's definiltely less metal influence though. interview: www.godcore.com/music/bands/articles.php?a=interview&bid=2044 |
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Post by Samhain on Sept 22, 2005 22:09:01 GMT -5
Real metal has disappeared and been replaced with Metalcore and Post-Hardcore. There are some real metal bands left, they are just few and far between especially in the Christian market. (the last good one was Living Sacrifice). by the way black metal doesn't count as real metal because it came afterward. Are you joking? There are hundreds of real metal bands such as Aletheian, Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, Tourniquet, and Sympathy to name a few. Black metal has been around since the late eighties, so therefore it came first. Also BTA, Later Living Sacrifice, and The Showdown still share alot of similarties with metalcore. I don't know about the others but I know for a fact that crimson moonlight is black metal. Another thing you're wrong about, black metal has been around since before the late eighties, I'm not sure when exactly it started but I can just go ask my friend since he's more into black metal and all the other extreme metals like death, doom, and thrash. He also dabbles in grindcore, hardcore, and early punk. Early living sacrifice was thrash metal, and really crappy. BTA is a mix of Prog metal and hardcore and slightly death metal when you take into account the use of low and high screams. The Showdown is more traditional american metal but still taking some influences from metalcore. |
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Post by centurionoutpost on Sept 22, 2005 22:57:33 GMT -5
Are you joking? There are hundreds of real metal bands such as Aletheian, Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, Tourniquet, and Sympathy to name a few. Black metal has been around since the late eighties, so therefore it came first. Also BTA, Later Living Sacrifice, and The Showdown still share alot of similarties with metalcore. I don't know about the others but I know for a fact that crimson moonlight is black metal. Another thing you're wrong about, black metal has been around since before the late eighties, I'm not sure when exactly it started but I can just go ask my friend since he's more into black metal and all the other extreme metals like death, doom, and thrash. He also dabbles in grindcore, hardcore, and early punk. Early living sacrifice was thrash metal, and really crappy. BTA is a mix of Prog metal and hardcore and slightly death metal when you take into account the use of low and high screams. The Showdown is more traditional american metal but still taking some influences from metalcore. Ok, let me ask you a question then why does black metal suddenly not count? Crimson Moonlight is also a current mix of black and death metal. BTW, you said "another thing you are wrong about" what exactly was I wrong about in the first place? |
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Post by ezekiel on Sept 23, 2005 0:03:19 GMT -5
ALRIGHT YOU METAL HISTORIANS!!! it all started with groups like black sabbath and deep purple.they are now linked with iron maiden, metallica and motley crue.notice anything? ALLTHESE BANDS ARE CONSIDERED METAL BUT HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT STYLES!!! GUNS AND ROSES? METAL. ANTHRAX? METAL. SAXON? METAL. MORTIFICATION? METAL............ITS ALL METAL!!!! THEY CONSIDERSHOWBREAD METAL? NO ...WHY?!! IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE 80'S METAL EXCEPT WITH A SCREAMING BACKGROUND VOCALIST!!! WHY IS POD IN METAL MAGAZINES? WHY NOT THE SOURCE FOR RAP? MUSIC IN MANY CASES CANNOT BE CATEGORIZED. TO AVOID FRUSTRATION.... just call it metal!youll sleep better! black metal started in the early 80's with venom-black metal to me always meant black-like evil-or satanic.so i dont consider bta to be black metal.just straight up hardcore metal!ask EXTOLwhat black metal means- in norway they have these satanic black metal bands that kill christians,burn churches and dig up corpses to eat ,smoke or just look at.thats why we are who we are!CHRISTIAN METALHEADS- BE IT HARDCORE/GRIND/THRASH/SCREAMO-WAHTEVER! ITS ALL FOR GOD AND HIS GLORY! TO BRING PEOPLE AWAY FROM SECULAR SHOWS WITH OPENLY CHRISTIAN BANDS SAYING WOW, IM TIRED OF GOING NOWHERE.IM TIRED OF GETTING STONED.IM TIRED OF NEGATIVITY!!! THOSE CHRISTIAN GUYS ROCK AND I WANT THAT SENSE OF PEACE THAT THEY HAVE!!!
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Post by ezekiel on Sept 23, 2005 0:09:12 GMT -5
WOW CAN THAT GUY GET OFF HIS SOAPBOX? SORRY GUYS + GALS
BACK TO THE THREAD... NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT I SAW SHOWDOWN WITH BTA AND THEY ROCKED FACE. 3 MONTHS LATER I SAW THEM OPEN FOR BLINDSIDE AND I WAS COMPLETELY UNIMPRESSED. I TRIED TO TALK TO THE SINGER-I FORGET HIS NAME- AND HE WAS IN A BAD MOOD OR SOMETHING . MAYBE THEYRE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING? THE DRUMMER WAS GREAT. I CANT PICTURE HIM STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF A SONG!!!
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Post by PostScriptum on Sept 23, 2005 10:32:09 GMT -5
Stop... posting... in... caps
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Post by Music Is Everything on Sept 23, 2005 14:36:40 GMT -5
Okay let me defend my self.
Black and Death metal are not what I
consider real metal, they are more of
a progession of metal therefore something
completly different. Yes it is true that
metal has evolved over the years but the
things that have changed the most is the
singing. Yes Black Sabbath is metal, so is Metallica (a little more thrashy though),
and bands like Motley Crue (glam metal is an actual genre).
If they are all metal then how do you get to call Living Sacrifice
metal? Because it has progressed and replaced all those forms of
metal. If you hear a brand new band that sounds exactly like
Motley Crue you would call that 80's metal. If someone sounded
like Black Sabbath you would call that classic metal. All of them are
still metal. Black and Death have always been an extreme metal
and followed relatively similar patterns (which is why I don't really
care for it all that much).
Im sorry, i should have said Regular metal instead of
Real Metal.
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Post by pilot on Sept 23, 2005 15:25:46 GMT -5
WOW CAN THAT GUY GET OFF HIS SOAPBOX? SORRY GUYS + GALS BACK TO THE THREAD... NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT I SAW SHOWDOWN WITH BTA AND THEY ROCKED FACE. 3 MONTHS LATER I SAW THEM OPEN FOR BLINDSIDE AND I WAS COMPLETELY UNIMPRESSED. I TRIED TO TALK TO THE SINGER-I FORGET HIS NAME- AND HE WAS IN A BAD MOOD OR SOMETHING . MAYBE THEYRE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING? THE DRUMMER WAS GREAT. I CANT PICTURE HIM STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF A SONG!!! I had a hard time believing it at first too and I was there!! I don't know about the Showdown anymore. It's too bad, there WERE really good. p.s. Sorry about the caps PostScriptum  |
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