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Post by Brent on Aug 22, 2009 23:20:55 GMT -5
ugh foreign languages
everyone should speak english so I can understand the hell they're talkin' bout
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Post by phillip on Aug 23, 2009 0:03:25 GMT -5
Don't worry, Gangrene. I put it all together in a simple flowchart.  |
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Post by conner on Aug 23, 2009 0:03:38 GMT -5
for some reason i cant stop laughing
phillip ninja'd me
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Post by Brent on Aug 23, 2009 0:26:32 GMT -5
Don't worry, Gangrene. I put it all together in a simple flowchart. it all makes sense now!!!! |
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Post by Van Zan on Aug 23, 2009 11:41:51 GMT -5
"But, I mean, there's a Bible, there's a Bible right there"
"Ok so maybe I reevaluates my lifes".
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Post by Atheo on Aug 23, 2009 12:29:12 GMT -5
But most atheists don't believe there is no god, which does admittedly take faith. In fact, I've never met one who did. This is because that position is profoundly shallow, and completely indefensible. It is, of course, impossible to say with certainty that anything does not exist. The closest we can come to it is saying with a high degree of certainty that something does not exist within a set of controlled conditions. However, in science there are no absolute certainties- ever. There are merely conclusions we reach that have a less than 5% chance of being the products of fluke data.
What atheists, by and large, believe is not that there is no god. We do not believe in a god, but that is not the same thing as believing there is no god. An absence of belief is not the same thing as a belief in the absence. We do not believe because we have been presented with insufficient evidence for the existence of God (well, or if we want to be trendy and rebellious).
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 23, 2009 12:54:49 GMT -5
this is all either very complex or very simple ....... i'll choose the later
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Post by Azrael on Aug 23, 2009 17:59:55 GMT -5
But most atheists don't believe there is no god, which does admittedly take faith. In fact, I've never met one who did. This is because that position is profoundly shallow, and completely indefensible. It is, of course, impossible to say with certainty that anything does not exist. The closest we can come to it is saying with a high degree of certainty that something does not exist within a set of controlled conditions. O rly? Absolutely no absolutes? Irony is detected in this statement. Your argument is largely hedged on language. Atheists don't just "lack a belief" in God. They have a disbelief in God, which in the end is a belief. You believe that God doesn't exist. As you admit, you don't know, but you disbelieve his existence. Going on to say that you're not completely certain that he doesn't does little to temper the fact that it is a belief. It is possible to believe something wrong, or believe something while acknowledging that other circumstances are possible. In the end, professing a lack of belief in God is a positive claim, just as professing to believe in him, and all positive claims are subject to challenge. |
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Post by Brent on Aug 23, 2009 19:49:00 GMT -5
is this all either very complex or very simple ....... i'll choose the later Occam's Razor ftw  |
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Post by Shiv on Aug 23, 2009 20:46:15 GMT -5
"But, I mean, there's a Bible, there's a Bible right there" "Ok so maybe I reevaluates my lifes". Best post in this entire thread |
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 23, 2009 21:20:09 GMT -5
ha ha i was going to post this  |
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Aug 23, 2009 23:59:27 GMT -5
I don't get it
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Post by phillip on Aug 24, 2009 0:18:38 GMT -5
That's a friar (supposedly William of Ockham) riding a scooter (supposedly a Razor) which is supposedly the friar's, supposedly making it Occam's Razor.
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Post by Brent on Aug 24, 2009 0:38:50 GMT -5
supposedly
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Aug 24, 2009 7:00:44 GMT -5
I understand now! Thankfully wikipedia exists, or else I wouldn't have been able to make that connection!
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