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Post by Kerrick on May 2, 2011 13:42:14 GMT -5
Osama bin Laden is dead! Pretty crazy to believe. I'm amazed it took a decade to do it, but this is pretty huge. What do you folks think this will mean? Is Al Qaeda gonna retaliate and be even more determined to destroy Western civilization or is this the crippling blow that's gonna ultimately be the end of them? He got shot in the head... is he going to return from the dead and become the antichrist??? Is he really dead or is it all a hoax? Did he ever even exist to begin with and is completely made up by the American government?
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Post by Maarten on May 2, 2011 16:03:16 GMT -5
Crazy old man plans terrorist attack and actually pulls it off killing lots of people.
USA starts a war in the country where the old man is hiding killing much more people than the crazy old man.
After a decade of war crazy old man finally gets killed.
Everybody's happy.
I think something went wrong here.....
The footage of happy Americans I saw on the news today saying something things 'good job all our boys in Afghanistan, it's finally all worth it' make me kind of sad'.
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Post by davo on May 2, 2011 16:27:44 GMT -5
nothing will change.
another figurehead for terrorism will rise and take his place
people shouldn't be celebrating his death, it's disgusting.
yes it's good that there was some form of justice, but surely it would have been better for him to have been taken alive?
unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists who think he's been dead for years...
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Post by Kerrick on May 2, 2011 17:41:10 GMT -5
I'm definitely glad we got him, though I would have preferred that we catch him alive as well. Then again, if he was to be handed over to Afghanistan's justice system, would it really be any different than what happened to Saddam? And if that's the case, what's the difference between the death penalty or getting killed in battle (or assassination)? Is being tried in court really necessary in a case such as his? What do y'all think about that? I'm also curious how this will affect all that's going on within Afghanistan with respect to other countries' occupancy there...
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Post by Jeremy on May 2, 2011 19:05:49 GMT -5
Even though I understand it, it seemed kind of weird to me how everyone is celebrating someone's death.
I found it kind of humorous that Osama bin Laden, who is associated with the desert, got killed by Navy Seals then buried at sea.
I doubt it will be easy for another terrorist leader to arise who possesses the same charisma which Osama did.
edit: finally gets what Kerrick meant about the antichrist ..... oh shi-
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Post by Maarten on May 3, 2011 5:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Santorum on May 3, 2011 21:26:12 GMT -5
This is one moment, a very welcome moment. It’s an important moment in the fight, but there are a lot of issues that we have to deal with going forward in other places around the world as this fight continues.
Barack Obama is certainly not someone I would say is known for fighting great causes in defense of American freedom. But I will give him credit in this, that he remained vigilant in going after Osama bin Laden.
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Post by skully on May 4, 2011 18:45:33 GMT -5
the main thing that i find so strange about this is that if you compare his death to Sadam's, they were more secretive about it. rememeber when they captured Sadam they were very open with what they were giong to do AND you got to see him die (although recordings weren't allowed)? why didn't we see any of that happening with Osama? where are the pictures, the recordings...WHERE IS THE PROOF? sure they told us that they buried him out at sea and you see some recordings of some random jets and helicopters flying out there, but you don't see the body. that could be from anything.
i'm no conspiracy thoerist, but i can definitly see conspiracy written all over this. not only that, but Osama was just one man...thousands or even more are following in his footsteps so what difference does the death of one man make? we spent billions and many lives were used just to hunt down this one man. how is that a victory?
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Post by Jeremy on May 4, 2011 23:17:20 GMT -5
Not that many extremist Muslims cared about Sadam as far as I know. If the media was to show the killing of their great leader I pretty sure extremists would get really pissed and that would only aggravate the hostile situation even more. Why do you think they followed the 24hr religious law? Extremists get pissed and violent easy. Doing something like that and would be putting innocent lives at risk. Basically, it's a lot more complicating than pleasing the public. This is a tactical situation, not a pr campaign. To release photos would be irresponsible and reckless. Think I'm wrong? Go on tv then burn a Koran and a picture of Muhammad. See what happens.
If he was not buried at sea then that would increase the chances of the his burial site becoming a place where followers would come and the chances of him being regarded as a martyr would increase.
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Post by skully on May 5, 2011 1:26:00 GMT -5
yeah i understand that, but then again, the muslim extremists are really pissed off anyway just because we're americans and "we're evil"
maybe someday in the future someone will end up finding his body whereever it is and trully confirm that he's dead. but as for now and maybe for a long time, i'm still a skeptic
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Post by Jeremy on May 6, 2011 11:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrick on May 6, 2011 15:02:19 GMT -5
I saw that article too! Interesting but not surprising.
As for Saddam/Osama, trial/assassination, obviously the end result would be the same: death. It's just that the concept of justice is better retained when someone goes to trial and has the option to defend themselves in that manner. I just wonder how different the public perception of it all would be, as well as the reaction of al Qaeda if Osama had gone to trial and put to death. Would he be viewed as less of a martyr if he didn't die in action?
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Post by Ferd Berfel on May 6, 2011 18:20:32 GMT -5
I see it like this:
We killed Osama, fantastic. Now our petty revenge campaign is over, but at the cost of thousands more lives and our own country's dignity. Furthermore, we've succeeded in pissing off an already very angry group of people. I'm willing to place a wager on Al Qaeda attempting an attack on American soil once again.
Also, the fact that the photographs were not released is very sketchy to me. It appears to me that the government is trying to sweep this whole thing under the rug instead of addressing it directly, which is weird.
I'm not saying that I'm paranoid about another terrorist attack, but it's only fair to be realistic.
If we had killed him 9 or 10 years ago, this might have meant something. At this point, it's much too late to be anything more than a token gesture of bloody revenge.
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Post by Josh on May 6, 2011 23:04:11 GMT -5
I really didnt feel anything when the news came on.
I was just like "Oh that guy."
And went on with my day.
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Post by skully on May 7, 2011 15:31:53 GMT -5
I really didnt feel anything when the news came on. I was just like "Oh that guy." And went on with my day. lol same here.
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