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Post by dlectronic on Dec 26, 2008 19:10:56 GMT -5
So I was thinking of this thread while at best buy buying a copy of Dichotomy.
I remembered hearing all of it, so I grabbed 2 copies instead of one.
God bless my BTA brothers.
*edit* grabbed, meaning purchased. ha very important that i make that clear.
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Post by Solid on Dec 26, 2008 20:30:46 GMT -5
Yes, buy another copy and give it to someone for Christmas...or New Year's. That's what I did.
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Post by dlectronic on Dec 26, 2008 20:33:50 GMT -5
Yes, buy another copy and give it to someone for Christmas...or New Year's. That's what I did. Nice! Man more ppl gotta do this.. I must say I was inspired by many other ppl here to do this. Ive read multiple times of ppl buying many copies. I thought Ide join in on the support.
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Post by phillip on Dec 27, 2008 18:14:59 GMT -5
pretty messed up. *plays some tritones* OH NO!! *The devil pops through the floor*
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Post by Josh on Dec 27, 2008 20:49:20 GMT -5
Mmmm....the review smells of fail.
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Post by dlectronic on Dec 28, 2008 14:08:56 GMT -5
Mmmm....the review smells of fail. It reeks of fail. Badly. You see when a fellow Christian has a problem, as iron sharpens iron we are to point it out t them. I am not one who believes that we should be militant metalists and those who dont like this genre are "FORCING THEIR ON US!!1!". Sometimes young people are like, militant about protecting the namesake of Christian metal. However I honestly believe there is a large portion of Christian, saved Jesus loving Christians, who have an honest problem accepting different forms of ministry. This review makes this obvious. Now the question is, how do we approach this. I would that 1 Timothy 4:12 says it well when it states, "Let no man despise thy youth, but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity." If a Christian brother or sister was having pre marital sex, Ide point it out. If a fellow bro in Christ had a chronic lying problem, ide point it out. This is just like any other problem..We gotta approach it in love and with Biblical discerning. I dunno im rambling. Im preaching to the choir too, but, just my thoughts.
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Post by Van Zan on Dec 29, 2008 1:21:39 GMT -5
The issue is more than just personal conviction, I can live with that. It's that he's not standing on personal conviction, he's saying that this album fails against some higher standard of what is musically right vs. wrong. He can provide no such standard. It is a very serious thing to discredit the Holy Spirit from moving in such a thing as musical ministry.
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Post by capanno on Dec 29, 2008 6:28:29 GMT -5
What I dont understand is, if its 'evil' to growl and scream because it sounds like a demon, isn't *talking* evil then as well? Im sure demons can talk just fine. What this guy does is make an emotional argument, and ive got serious irritations available for that.
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Dec 29, 2008 14:50:41 GMT -5
Well, I'm fairly used to this kind of stuff. I'm not really going to tell him he's wrong, because this is his own personal prefernce. I just hope he doesn't listen to the music I have on my laptop because he might wet himself... lol... But in all seriousness...
Why is it that metal is accredited as being evil? Having demonic growlings and ramblings no less? I mean, Satan himself paraded as an angel of light, and STILL DOES. What gets me is that people who think metal is evil are really yeilding to Satan because they aren't thinking logically. Satan is evil. Yes. But Satan's primary ways of trickery are way more mainstream through demonstration of what people do with their time, to what people think about others, to what people think about themselves, and so on and so on. It's just like Satan to try and decieve people into believing something is evil when it really isn't.
The battle for "Christian metal", seems to me, to be small in comparison to the battle for, first and foremost, the listener to come to knowledge and relationship with the one and only true God and Lord, but also to think logically, not emotionally, and to really evaluate what is evil Biblically.
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Post by dlectronic on Dec 29, 2008 16:05:04 GMT -5
The battle for "Christian metal", seems to me, to be small in comparison to the battle for, first and foremost, the listener to come to knowledge and relationship with the one and only true God and Lord, but also to think logically, not emotionally, and to really evaluate what is evil Biblically. Agreed. I really dont like how like, some bands like impending doom will make songs written 'to the church' as if the church was the enemy. Like, the Impending Doom song 'Silence The Oppresors'. The whole song makes a stand against fellow Christians as if they "dare not enter this realm of worship"..Those kinds of songs are dumb to me because its not trying to correct a wrong, its just being militant against Christian brethren who need prayer and Biblical correction, not mockery. It is a very serious thing to discredit the Holy Spirit from moving in such a thing as musical ministry. Very well put. I think that saying something along those lines would be very effective when discussing this form of ministry to those who have a hard time accepting it.
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Post by Azrael on Dec 29, 2008 17:32:37 GMT -5
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20539That's for whoever wants the original source. I love the critic's choice of avatar. Ponies are ever-so-terrifying. I personally think he's supporting paganism because does it not say in the Bible that Jesus entered Jerusalem on the back of a donkey, not a stallion? Stallions were reserved for pagan nations such as Canaan. He's a closet Canaanite!
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Post by abram92 on Dec 29, 2008 17:57:55 GMT -5
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20539That's for whoever wants the original source. I love the critic's choice of avatar. Ponies are ever-so-terrifying. I personally think he's supporting paganism because does it not say in the Bible that Jesus entered Jerusalem on the back of a donkey, not a stallion? Stallions were reserved for pagan nations such as Faggottown. He's a Faggot! Because I had to.
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Post by Kory K on Dec 30, 2008 3:06:49 GMT -5
The battle for "Christian metal", seems to me, to be small in comparison to the battle for, first and foremost, the listener to come to knowledge and relationship with the one and only true God and Lord, but also to think logically, not emotionally, and to really evaluate what is evil Biblically. Agreed. I really dont like how like, some bands like impending doom will make songs written 'to the church' as if the church was the enemy. Like, the Impending Doom song 'Silence The Oppresors'. The whole song makes a stand against fellow Christians as if they "dare not enter this realm of worship"..Those kinds of songs are dumb to me because its not trying to correct a wrong, its just being militant against Christian brethren who need prayer and Biblical correction, not mockery. It is a very serious thing to discredit the Holy Spirit from moving in such a thing as musical ministry. Very well put. I think that saying something along those lines would be very effective when discussing this form of ministry to those who have a hard time accepting it. Ya some of those impending doom songs are a little silly..but to be fair I'm sure because of how they look and sound they hear negative things about themselvs daily more than any of us, and I'd get fed up too
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Post by dlectronic on Dec 30, 2008 14:52:36 GMT -5
Agreed. I really dont like how like, some bands like impending doom will make songs written 'to the church' as if the church was the enemy. Like, the Impending Doom song 'Silence The Oppresors'. The whole song makes a stand against fellow Christians as if they "dare not enter this realm of worship"..Those kinds of songs are dumb to me because its not trying to correct a wrong, its just being militant against Christian brethren who need prayer and Biblical correction, not mockery. Very well put. I think that saying something along those lines would be very effective when discussing this form of ministry to those who have a hard time accepting it. Ya some of those impending doom songs are a little silly..but to be fair I'm sure because of how they look and sound they hear negative things about themselvs daily more than any of us, and I'd get fed up too I actually really like them. They are in a really gross scene..Deathcore and grindcore is strangely sexually driven..just, really freaken gross. And impending doom is a solid light in the dark there, but yea again, I think they are missing the point in some fields by putting themselves in opposition to fellow Christians.
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Post by Azrael on Dec 30, 2008 19:55:20 GMT -5
Ya some of those impending doom songs are a little silly..but to be fair I'm sure because of how they look and sound they hear negative things about themselvs daily more than any of us, and I'd get fed up too I actually really like them. They are in a really gross scene..Deathcore and grindcore is strangely sexually driven..just, really freaken gross. And impending doom is a solid light in the dark there, but yea again, I think they are missing the point in some fields by putting themselves in opposition to fellow Christians. Opposing fellow Christians is necessary. If Martin Luther never opposed the church, we would still be buying indulgences. Calling for reform and taking a stand against corrupt demagogues and organizations is crucial to the survival of the core beliefs of the church. All of the ridiculous accusations of metal being demonic need to be stopped. Kind and polite language not necessary. It is out of love for the church that we must challenge it, just as God punished Israel out of love.
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