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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Dec 31, 2008 0:38:35 GMT -5
I actually really like them. They are in a really gross scene..Deathcore and grindcore is strangely sexually driven..just, really freaken gross. And impending doom is a solid light in the dark there, but yea again, I think they are missing the point in some fields by putting themselves in opposition to fellow Christians. Opposing fellow Christians is necessary. If Martin Luther never opposed the church, we would still be buying indulgences. Calling for reform and taking a stand against corrupt demagogues and organizations is crucial to the survival of the core beliefs of the church. All of the ridiculous accusations of metal being demonic need to be stopped. Kind and polite language not necessary. It is out of love for the church that we must challenge it, just as God punished Israel out of love. In some ways I agree with you... And in a few others I don't. I do agree because people need to know what evil is Biblically... And metal is NOT it... Umm... but I disagree because it seems we're pushing our own agenda- that people have to buy what we're selling. I think people should agree that music is music and it's the artist's heart and what's going on there and between the listener that make it evil, but I think that there might be more important battles to fight. But yes, stereotypes need to be dealt with because they're a love issue really. I can't really see how I could agape love someone who I think, because he has long hair and plays different music, he will respond a certain way to things(presumably out of hatred, anger, or wrath). I shouldn't predetermine stuff like that in my mind because it inhibits true love. People need to be seen as people- created by God, fashioned in his image and likeness, and fell with the rest of mankind yeilding to sin and Satan. People need to be reconciled to God- to have (proper)relationship with him.But I can see where you're coming from, I just really think it needs to be done out of love (yes, kind and polite language) with truth as the next point to be stiven for. What do y'all think? |
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Post by AletheianAlex on Dec 31, 2008 0:52:28 GMT -5
I think that people need to consider the target audience of a ministry. I am not going to criticize dance ministry or urban renewal ministry or Billy Grahm crusades or pop-vocal ministry... different strokes for different folks, and remember: if the body of Christ were made up of ALL hands... it wouldn't get very far. We all make up different parts and do our respective jobs as we fell we are called to do. Of COURSE the music is foreign and frightening to them... they are not the target! Much of the more popular rock Christian music sounds shallow and cheesy to me, but I won;t knock it -- even though i think it sucks -- because they are fulfilling a calling and reaching people that a metal band never could. Likewise metal ministry needs respect for reaching a people group and subculture that they would NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS reach. To slander the hard-working Christian metal bands is to do a direct disservice to the church and sets Christian ministry and interpersonal church relations back by decades.
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Post by abram92 on Dec 31, 2008 1:14:52 GMT -5
Hey guys, just wanted to say thanks for completely ignoring my awesome edit of Azrael's post.
I feel so appreciated. *storms out of thread and slams door to room, muffled sobs are heard*
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Post by Kory K on Dec 31, 2008 2:01:50 GMT -5
I think that people need to consider the target audience of a ministry. I am not going to criticize dance ministry or urban renewal ministry or Billy Grahm crusades or pop-vocal ministry... different strokes for different folks, and remember: if the body of Christ were made up of ALL hands... it wouldn't get very far. We all make up different parts and do our respective jobs as we fell we are called to do. Of COURSE the music is foreign and frightening to them... they are not the target! Much of the more popular rock Christian music sounds shallow and cheesy to me, but I won;t knock it -- even though i think it sucks -- because they are fulfilling a calling and reaching people that a metal band never could. Likewise metal ministry needs respect for reaching a people group and subculture that they would NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS reach. To slander the hard-working Christian metal bands is to do a direct disservice to the church and sets Christian ministry and interpersonal church relations back by decades. *copies and saves to computer for future use* |
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Dec 31, 2008 2:38:04 GMT -5
Yeah, very good point Alex!
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Post by Muffy on Dec 31, 2008 4:53:45 GMT -5
A lot of Christians must think that the music like BTA is aimed directly at them just because its offensive to them. They completely miss the point that the lyrics and sound aren't meant for them.
Impending doom sounds a lot like a couple of dying seals.
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Post by hungrymusic on Jan 1, 2009 12:59:13 GMT -5
 What amazes me when I hear people say this, is the assumption that they know what a legion of demons sounds like! Have any of them read a bible? Seriously! The only reference in it to the voice of Satan, which is the closest you'll get, suggests that he is actually rather chaming. A legion of demons would probably sound more like the House of Commons here in the UK, or Congress for our American counterparts. |
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Post by blueflame17 on Jan 1, 2009 17:10:31 GMT -5
I've always wondered how people like these even know what "a legion of demons" sound like...How can they even say something like that? Have they been to hell and heard them first hand? He's just shocked by what he doesn't understand. which is the first step into becoming an avid metal fan >  What amazes me when I hear people say this, is the assumption that they know what a legion of demons sounds like! Have any of them read a bible? Seriously! The only reference in it to the voice of Satan, which is the closest you'll get, suggests that he is actually rather chaming. A legion of demons would probably sound more like the House of Commons here in the UK, or Congress for our American counterparts. _______________________ Totally agree. i commented before even reading this I think that people need to consider the target audience of a ministry. I am not going to criticize dance ministry or urban renewal ministry or Billy Grahm crusades or pop-vocal ministry... different strokes for different folks, and remember: if the body of Christ were made up of ALL hands... it wouldn't get very far. We all make up different parts and do our respective jobs as we fell we are called to do. Of COURSE the music is foreign and frightening to them... they are not the target! Much of the more popular rock Christian music sounds shallow and cheesy to me, but I won;t knock it -- even though i think it sucks -- because they are fulfilling a calling and reaching people that a metal band never could. Likewise metal ministry needs respect for reaching a people group and subculture that they would NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS reach. To slander the hard-working Christian metal bands is to do a direct disservice to the church and sets Christian ministry and interpersonal church relations back by decades. _________________________ Man Alex, you always have something wise to say.. you're such a bright guy, and a big inspiration in my walk with Christ! ;D MOD EDIT: Merged triple post.Dude seriously, use the edit button. |
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Post by dlectronic on Jan 2, 2009 13:45:27 GMT -5
There we go. Alex speaks words of Wisdom. Would this be a good place to say "no pun intended"?
Huzah! Alex still lives on these forms, assuming its a worth while discussion.
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Post by dlectronic on Jan 2, 2009 13:49:49 GMT -5
I actually really like them. They are in a really gross scene..Deathcore and grindcore is strangely sexually driven..just, really freaken gross. And impending doom is a solid light in the dark there, but yea again, I think they are missing the point in some fields by putting themselves in opposition to fellow Christians. Opposing fellow Christians is necessary. If Martin Luther never opposed the church, we would still be buying indulgences. Calling for reform and taking a stand against corrupt demagogues and organizations is crucial to the survival of the core beliefs of the church. All of the ridiculous accusations of metal being demonic need to be stopped. Kind and polite language not necessary. It is out of love for the church that we must challenge it, just as God punished Israel out of love. Refer to points made by Alex for clarification on what I meant. Perhaps I mispoke...Opposing Christians is necesary if they are going against the bible (discrediting the holy spirit in the metal world is in fact biblically wrong)...But I didnt like how Impending Doom has spent a ton of time on that...Maybe its just because "the breakdown is so brutal" in that song and its therefore popular/heard alot...So I get the impression that they are spending to much time on division, then spreading Christ. but I know thats not entireley true.. im rambling. Again, alex's post was good. Its about following the Bible, and helping others do so. im cutting myself off from more words in this post, im probably not being clear haha. |
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Post by ÈpÓçh on Jan 9, 2009 8:05:32 GMT -5
Check out this review of "Dichotomy". This is the sort of idiocy that we are up against. CD sales are in the toilet and people like this arent helping a struggling band like BTA. WITH ALL THAT SAID...try not to take it too seriously. My brother bought this CD when I took him to the local record store and I, feeling generous on this particular occasion allowed him to put the disc into my CD player for the ride home. Never before in my life have I felt something so close to aural rape that I could actually use it to describe what happened to me on that day. Friends, I have endured this trauma and I am now finally prepared to talk about it.
I come before you today, my dear readers, still trying to sort out everything in the aftermath of an assault so brutal and cruel that only a broad word like "evil" can describe it. Dichotomy may be the most evil-sounding album I have ever heard. It has no soul, it has no mind, it is just pure evil! And from a supposedly Christian band, no less. This band has the audacity to make a death metal rendition of "How Great Thou Art" bearing no musical resemblance to the famous hymn whatsoever with vocals that sound like a legion of demons. A mockery, this is not; the band is totally serious. It's not even that I am offended by this. Simply put, the band desecrated a timeless hymn that (I assume) they themselves hold dear in their hearts. It's appalling, really.
Taking a look at this album as a whole, I really don't know what to make of it lyrically. They seem to have put some though into them, but the means by which they try to deliver their message is terribly flawed. The vocals throughout are akin to a legion of demons, I swear to it. The vocals are occasionally sung, but they have no soul. No soul. There is a soul-shaped void in the vocals. Similarly, the music has no soul either. They play bludgeoning death metal with an average of one piano interlude per song that seems to have no connection with the rest of the song. How did this band get on this website anyhow? It certainly isn't because of this record. I'll be honest, I'm only vaguely familiar with the bands previous two records (neither has intrigued me, but on the same token, neither has assailed me so).
Also of note is that zany-brainy music person Devin Townsend produced this thing and has a guest vocal spot on the opening track. Devin's production may have something to do with the darkness and evil surrounding this music, but I would never say that Devy did it intentionally. Besides, the band has the creative control here. Maybe it was the sound system. I don't know, but goodness, I'm in pain. EVIL!  he must not listen to heavy metal. He might be one of those people who thought it was going to be soft rock and then he heard it and thought AHHH! EVIL!!! my parents dont like metal, that cant stand it, but they dont call it evil. and honestly there are other bands out there that sound like a legion of demons.....Impending Doom, Living sacrifice's inhabit album, etc. having no soul........psh...idiot, he needs to get out more,and grow up. anyway, he just said that from his POV, what about his brother who actually BOUGHT THE album. oh and Jason, im sure BTA will do fine, remember that if you are doing what GOD wants you to do....nothing can stand IN YOUR WAY! and im sure the BTA fans will do what they can to help y'all. |
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Post by ÈpÓçh on Jan 9, 2009 8:25:07 GMT -5
Ya some of those impending doom songs are a little silly..but to be fair I'm sure because of how they look and sound they hear negative things about themselvs daily more than any of us, and I'd get fed up too I actually really like them. They are in a really gross scene..Deathcore and grindcore is strangely sexually driven..just, really freaken gross. And impending doom is a solid light in the dark there, but yea again, I think they are missing the point in some fields by putting themselves in opposition to fellow Christians. the way i took the meaning of their song, is it was to the christians who would want to call their way of worship through their music... evil and stuff like that, i took it saying dont bash the way we worship, a christian shouldnt mock others peolpe's way of worship... we all can worship in our one way. think of it like this...when you where little...your parents "fussed" at you because you did something against their rules, so and thats what ID is doing in a way. saying that you, when you bash ways of worship, are disobeying or not doing the right thing. does that make sense? |
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Post by notavailable on Jan 21, 2009 0:42:24 GMT -5
Check out this review of "Dichotomy". This is the sort of idiocy that we are up against. CD sales are in the toilet and people like this arent helping a struggling band like BTA. WITH ALL THAT SAID...try not to take it too seriously. My brother bought this CD when I took him to the local record store and I, feeling generous on this particular occasion allowed him to put the disc into my CD player for the ride home. Never before in my life have I felt something so close to aural rape that I could actually use it to describe what happened to me on that day. Friends, I have endured this trauma and I am now finally prepared to talk about it.
I come before you today, my dear readers, still trying to sort out everything in the aftermath of an assault so brutal and cruel that only a broad word like "evil" can describe it. Dichotomy may be the most evil-sounding album I have ever heard. It has no soul, it has no mind, it is just pure evil! And from a supposedly Christian band, no less. This band has the audacity to make a death metal rendition of "How Great Thou Art" bearing no musical resemblance to the famous hymn whatsoever with vocals that sound like a legion of demons. A mockery, this is not; the band is totally serious. It's not even that I am offended by this. Simply put, the band desecrated a timeless hymn that (I assume) they themselves hold dear in their hearts. It's appalling, really.
Taking a look at this album as a whole, I really don't know what to make of it lyrically. They seem to have put some though into them, but the means by which they try to deliver their message is terribly flawed. The vocals throughout are akin to a legion of demons, I swear to it. The vocals are occasionally sung, but they have no soul. No soul. There is a soul-shaped void in the vocals. Similarly, the music has no soul either. They play bludgeoning death metal with an average of one piano interlude per song that seems to have no connection with the rest of the song. How did this band get on this website anyhow? It certainly isn't because of this record. I'll be honest, I'm only vaguely familiar with the bands previous two records (neither has intrigued me, but on the same token, neither has assailed me so).
Also of note is that zany-brainy music person Devin Townsend produced this thing and has a guest vocal spot on the opening track. Devin's production may have something to do with the darkness and evil surrounding this music, but I would never say that Devy did it intentionally. Besides, the band has the creative control here. Maybe it was the sound system. I don't know, but goodness, I'm in pain. WHAT A f**kING RETARD. WHO GOES ON A METAL SITE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE METAL? OR TO WARN THE OTHER METALHEADS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL 3V1LN3ZZ OF A METAL ALBUM? THIS MAN IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE WHACKJOB. |
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Post by Van Zan on Feb 3, 2009 16:56:25 GMT -5
Check out this review of "Dichotomy". This is the sort of idiocy that we are up against. CD sales are in the toilet and people like this arent helping a struggling band like BTA. WITH ALL THAT SAID...try not to take it too seriously. My brother bought this CD when I took him to the local record store and I, feeling generous on this particular occasion allowed him to put the disc into my CD player for the ride home. Never before in my life have I felt something so close to aural rape that I could actually use it to describe what happened to me on that day. Friends, I have endured this trauma and I am now finally prepared to talk about it.
I come before you today, my dear readers, still trying to sort out everything in the aftermath of an assault so brutal and cruel that only a broad word like "evil" can describe it. Dichotomy may be the most evil-sounding album I have ever heard. It has no soul, it has no mind, it is just pure evil! And from a supposedly Christian band, no less. This band has the audacity to make a death metal rendition of "How Great Thou Art" bearing no musical resemblance to the famous hymn whatsoever with vocals that sound like a legion of demons. A mockery, this is not; the band is totally serious. It's not even that I am offended by this. Simply put, the band desecrated a timeless hymn that (I assume) they themselves hold dear in their hearts. It's appalling, really.
Taking a look at this album as a whole, I really don't know what to make of it lyrically. They seem to have put some though into them, but the means by which they try to deliver their message is terribly flawed. The vocals throughout are akin to a legion of demons, I swear to it. The vocals are occasionally sung, but they have no soul. No soul. There is a soul-shaped void in the vocals. Similarly, the music has no soul either. They play bludgeoning death metal with an average of one piano interlude per song that seems to have no connection with the rest of the song. How did this band get on this website anyhow? It certainly isn't because of this record. I'll be honest, I'm only vaguely familiar with the bands previous two records (neither has intrigued me, but on the same token, neither has assailed me so).
Also of note is that zany-brainy music person Devin Townsend produced this thing and has a guest vocal spot on the opening track. Devin's production may have something to do with the darkness and evil surrounding this music, but I would never say that Devy did it intentionally. Besides, the band has the creative control here. Maybe it was the sound system. I don't know, but goodness, I'm in pain. demons.....Impending Doom, Living sacrifice's inhabit album, etc. having no soul........psh...idiot, he needs to get out more,and listen to Meshuggah like he has balls. fixed. |
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he must not listen to heavy metal. He might be one of those people who thought it was going to be soft rock and then he heard it and thought AHHH! EVIL!!! my parents dont like metal, that cant stand it, but they dont call it evil. and honestly there are other bands out there that sound like a legion of demons.....Impending Doom, Living sacrifice's inhabit album, etc. having no soul........psh...idiot, he needs to get out more,and grow up. anyway, he just said that from his POV, what about his brother who actually BOUGHT THE album. oh and Jason, im sure BTA will do fine, remember that if you are doing what GOD wants you to do....nothing can stand IN YOUR WAY! and im sure the BTA fans will do what they can to help y'all.
