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Post by Muffy on Jul 17, 2010 22:52:19 GMT -5
Do you think it's right to make someone do something that goes against his personal beliefs, in return for giving that person his basic needs?
My uncle is doing this to me right now, I have no choice but to live with him this summer, maybe even for longer. He's making me go to church and participate because that's what he makes his own children do, and he doesn't think it's fair to treat me differently.
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Post by Radiant Magnificence Alastair on Jul 17, 2010 23:17:52 GMT -5
Well he is your master for the time being, so it is better to be an obedient slave.
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Post by dlectronic on Jul 18, 2010 1:14:46 GMT -5
Well, I don't find it to be morally reprehensible to want a household family member to participate in the stuff that family is doing. I understand you don't want to go, thought. You might not fully agree with me when I say, however, that I feel that the act of bringing you along to church is actually good. Surely you don't agree with my on this, but I think it's absolutely pivotal for people to urge others to follow Christ. You say you do not want to go, but if following Christ IS the right thing to do, imagine how hateful it would be for your family to say "you aren't worth effort. You can die for eternity."  thats scary.. |
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Post by Ferd Berfel on Jul 18, 2010 1:23:34 GMT -5
I don't think that it's right to force a person to go to church. I'd certainly encourage a person to attend church; but if a person does not want to attend, it serves no purpose to make them to go.
I say to lead by example. Beyond that, it's the person's choice.
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Post by scribe on Jul 18, 2010 8:57:51 GMT -5
I don't think that it's right to force a person to go to church. I'd certainly encourage a person to attend church; but if a person does not want to attend, it serves no purpose to make them to go. I say to lead by example. Beyond that, it's the person's choice. |
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Post by Scott on Jul 18, 2010 9:06:08 GMT -5
If he's taking care of you and providing for your basic needs, I'm going to be on his side on this one. This thread seems to be merely for asking for someone to agree with you to justify your resentment about going to church. Is he in the right by making you do this? I don't know. However, that is not relevant to you. The man is taking care of you, and a beneficiary ought to show gratitude and appreciation, even in reasonable obedience.
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Post by Muffy on Jul 18, 2010 15:10:58 GMT -5
Really Scott? So if it was the other way around, and I happened to be a satanist, would it be right for me to force him to join me in my rituals?
I don't care if you rally with me or not... just give examples and discuss the question or whatever.
I am repaying him by helping him out with construction work, so I don't see the point. It just seems unfair that since I have no other choice, he can just satisfy his religious fear of losing my poor lost soul.
Me going to church has not been beneficial to my life, or anyone elses.
But I will deal with it if I have to. The whole situation just led me to post about it because I think it's an interesting question.
dlectronic, so far I've been taught that going to church isn't what saves you from hell.
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Post by dlectronic on Jul 18, 2010 15:14:40 GMT -5
Indeed, it does not. Notice however that "to urge others to follow Christ" is what is to be taken into consideration. Bringing you to church is doing that.
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Post by Muffy on Jul 18, 2010 15:26:21 GMT -5
That's not nudging. That's pushing. I don't appreciate it.
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Post by Maarten on Jul 18, 2010 15:38:50 GMT -5
I think it is alright for a custodian to raise the people he's taking care of in his own worldview. However, according to your profile you are 18 years old, which would make you perfectly capable of taking up the responsibility to make a choice for yourself. If he's worried about you he should talk about it and maybe urge you to go to church some time, but actually forcing you is going too far.
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Post by Scott on Jul 18, 2010 16:22:32 GMT -5
You didn't indicate that there was any kind of transaction taking place, an agreement of doing construction in return for lodging etc.
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Post by dlectronic on Jul 18, 2010 17:46:01 GMT -5
nudging, pushing? Same thing. Truth be told, I think it's for your good.
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Post by scribe on Jul 18, 2010 17:54:10 GMT -5
wouldn't have guessed that
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Post by Muffy on Jul 18, 2010 20:34:04 GMT -5
nudging, pushing? Same thing. Truth be told, I think it's for your good. Not really... Sorry I didn't mention it, Scott. |
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Post by Scott on Jul 18, 2010 22:25:05 GMT -5
Well, in the case you now describe, it's a bit more complicated. You say it hasn't made anything better for you, but is it hurting you in any way?
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thats scary..
