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Post by drumelin on Jan 6, 2005 19:58:30 GMT -5
I love talking biblical theology with people who know a lot about it, and I'm assuming a lot of you do, so let's use this page to talk about anything....i don't really have questions right now, how bout just impress me with your knowledge and post something that you think no one knows, or just something you feel strongly about....i'm eager to learn...it's always rad to learn about the Bible
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Post by JohnnyMetal on Jan 6, 2005 21:09:49 GMT -5
I'm always up for seeing what is discussed. I'm forever learning.
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Post by Laura on Jan 6, 2005 22:22:39 GMT -5
I'm the same way, I'm still young and I've got a LOT to learn. It's really awesome the way several of you have a lot of knowledge on the Bible, that's a real encouragement to me. And actually, I do have a question...it may seem really basic, but I've never really taken the time to study it myself.
My parent's have been divorced for almost 8 years now (I was ten when they split) and it was really hard on me to hear my dad saying one story and mom saying another one. Well, it turns out my dad was unfaithful to my mom (yes, I know for a fact he was..long story about how I figured that out) and doesn't it say in the Bible that marital infidelity was really the only grounds for divorce? I think it does say that somewhere...but my dad told me one night that him and my mom were still technically married in God's eyes. I don't think that's true, but the whole issue about divorce is kind of cloudy for me. My friends say it's because I'm too close to it, my dad still rants about it when he's drunk. I was just wondering if someone could clear that up for me...Plus, I really do wish my mom would remarry....but are there..umm.."rules" about that too in the Bible?
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Post by drumelin on Jan 6, 2005 22:27:41 GMT -5
alrighty, lets hear some thoughts on how old the earth is....and what you think happens right when someone dies...like do they go straight to heaven or hell or do they kinda wait around and everyone goes at once...because i think that once you die there's no such thing as time...hit me up with what you think anyone
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Post by JohnnyMetal on Jan 7, 2005 8:37:15 GMT -5
Well, IRT Laura, I am remarried. I didn't have kids from the first marriage. Sabrina and I have been married for over 4 years now. I had been previously married for 5 years in a relationship that was so full of stuff that one day I'll go into. As far as how old the earth is? I go with the Genesis story.
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Post by Wisdom on Jan 7, 2005 12:02:20 GMT -5
As far as how old the earth is? I go with the Genesis story. i know this is a dumb question for this discussion but i have always though its interesting to think about. if you go by a literal interpretation of the Genesis account that makes the earth roughly 6-7 thousand years old. And mankind has existed basically the entire time. What then should we conclude about Dinosaurs? Are they made up? Did they exist with men and just randomly go extinct after a couple thousand years? Because, if they did exist they probably werent wiped out by men with little sticks and rocks and any natural disaster or ice age capable of wiping out millions of dinosaurs would have certainly killed all human life as well. Or maybe they were left out of the ark to die in the flood? What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by drumelin on Jan 7, 2005 18:27:21 GMT -5
It's interesting you should mention dinosaurs. I have learned a thing or two about them. Ok, first of all, they did exist because the Bible mentions them: one in Job, and one somewhere else (can't remember but I’ll get back to you if you want to know). So it talks about a big sea monster and whatnot and Leviathan which you've probably heard about. Anyhow, I also believe the earth is about 6,000 years old, and I believe that dinosaurs were created right along with the other animals. The misconception that has probably confused many is the belief that dinosaurs were these huge monsters that ate humans. For one thing, most were herbivores. Also, the average dinosaur was the size of a sheep. The ones that you see in museums are probably fully grown abnormally sized dinosaurs from what I can tell. Now, as far as the dinosaurs becoming extinct, it’s pretty simple. When Moses gathered the animals to put on the arc, he did not get full grown creatures, because if he did then they wouldn’t be able to reproduce as well when they got off the arc. So he got infant animals or just like “teenager” ones if you will. Therefore, the dinosaurs would have been able to fit on the arc, because they were just as small as the rest of the animals. Now, you might think, “ok well then how’d they become extinct?” Well when the flood was over, the earth was changed dramatically--topographically, climatically, you name it. So when a lot of the animals (mainly dinosaurs) attempted to survive they could not adapt to the climate or find a climate quick enough. So one by one, they died off. However, I believe some of the “sea monsters” still exist, such as the Nessy and whatnot. The water dinosaurs were basically just those freaky fish you sea at the bottom of the ocean that still exist today. So it’s very likely that the Loch Ness monster is actually there (well I believe there are several). Anyway, that’s basically what I believe about dinosaurs, and it makes logical sense, so do with it what you will.
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Post by drumelin on Jan 7, 2005 18:28:34 GMT -5
yeah and i spelled it arc instead of ark, i'm a loser
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Post by Jacob Lance (EpitomeParadox) on Jan 7, 2005 21:00:20 GMT -5
i know this is a dumb question for this discussion but i have always though its interesting to think about. if you go by a literal interpretation of the Genesis account that makes the earth roughly 6-7 thousand years old. And mankind has existed basically the entire time. What then should we conclude about Dinosaurs? Are they made up? Did they exist with men and just randomly go extinct after a couple thousand years? Because, if they did exist they probably werent wiped out by men with little sticks and rocks and any natural disaster or ice age capable of wiping out millions of dinosaurs would have certainly killed all human life as well. Or maybe they were left out of the ark to die in the flood? What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I believe the earth is much older, but this does present a good question that I'm going to think about.
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Post by xxbelovedxx on Jan 8, 2005 10:27:58 GMT -5
The entire marriage/divorce concept was a blur to me until recently.
Basically, back then if you wanted to be with someone you became betrothed.
As soon as you and your partner had sex, you were officially married in the eyes of God. Yet, if your wife/husband cheats on you after you've had sex, and you divorce them, then you go and have sex with someone else AT ANY TIME after the marriage, you are STILL committing adultery. In the Bible it says that the only way you can put someone away, and it be acceptable by God, is if it is because of fornication.
Fornication = sex outside of marriage. Being betrothed is considered outside of marriage. Adultery = sex with another while married.
If you are betrothed (you haven't had sex with your significant other yet), and your wife/husband cheats on you, you are allowed to put them away. Putting the person away publicly means they would be stoned to death. Putting them away in secret would prevent the person from being killed.
This was the case with Mary and Joseph, actually. They were betrothed. When Mary was found with child, Joseph wanted to put her away (because he thought Mary and fornicated with another man). While Joseph wanted to divorce, he did not want to do it publicly. He did not want her to be stoned. Joseph decided to put her away in secret, but before this could happen, God sent the angel down to Joseph.
Basically, if you're married to someone and have sex, then you can NEVER have sex with another person even if you get a divorce (even if you divorce them because they committed adultery against you). If you do, you are committing adultery every time.
I know people hate to hear this. I talked to my girlfriend on this for a while and she didn't want to believe me.
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Post by Laura on Jan 8, 2005 14:00:38 GMT -5
I don't hate to hear it, I mean, I asked about it. I just want to know the whole issue on divorce. I'm thinking about doing my own study too. That does clear up a couple of things (like about the fact of my dad's live-in girlfriend) so thanks.
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Post by countseth on Jan 8, 2005 17:11:14 GMT -5
doesn't it say in the Bible that marital infidelity was really the only grounds for divorce? Jesus said in Matthew 5:32 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes here to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Jesus says that unfaithfulness is the only grounds for divorce. I'll continue to pray for you.
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Post by Justincredible on Jan 9, 2005 1:01:56 GMT -5
that verse in matthew would lead me to believe that you aren't sinning if you have sex during a divorce-and-remarry issue.
i think the bottom line is... we aren't supposed to divorce.
remember, a lot of the laws about divorce were written under the old covenant. they were not in effect once Christ issued the new covenant era in with his ressurrection and ascension.
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Post by Justincredible on Jan 9, 2005 1:02:55 GMT -5
can anyone explain to me the differences between Covenant Theology, New Covenant Theology, and Historical Dispensationalism? I've been studying this for awhile and get mixed up all the time.
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Post by Laura on Jan 9, 2005 1:03:53 GMT -5
Thank you guys for helping me out on this. And thanks for your prayers. They're always appreciated.
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