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Post by Justincredible on Jan 18, 2005 1:03:44 GMT -5
ok ok ok... something less intense. I say lets share what we're learning about people! I'm currently studying Romans. I'm learning a lot about the imputation of Christ. There are two big views out there. One is called "double imputation": this means that Christ had an active obedience, which was his perfect life, and a passive obedience, his death on the cross. By believing in Christ we are imputed (or we receive) both the active and passive obedience of Christ. In other words, we receive Christ's forgiveness by death on cross AND his perfect righteousness is credited to us. The other view holds that there is only ONE imputation... that of Christ's death on the cross. This view holds that Christ's death was sufficient enough... and by faith in Christ we receive forgiveness from sins b/c he died for us, and this ALLOWS us to be declared righteous, although we are not imputed Christ's righteousness. I'm still torn about which I agree with... there are good arguements Biblically either way.
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Post by bloodstained777 on Jan 27, 2005 14:23:29 GMT -5
well on the issue of divorce yes divorce is a sin and what is sin? there are two kinds of sin the one sin is mankind blatently defying God and going against him
but also sin is our failure to live up to the standard of perfection that God has (hence the need for Christ) a divorce is not Gods first plan or perfect design for a marraige. but the truth is that sometime there is circumstances where a person or persons are not able to make somthing work. and that failure is sin, but yes God has grace and yes God rebuilds and yes Jesus still saves (man what have I started this is gonna be a long post)
see like in my situation I was 17 and my father(pastor/missionary) decided that he knew who I was supposed to marry and it was a girl from a diffirent country well i had spent many of my previous years trying to make my dad proud and beacause of that and false prophesys like ( this is your call , this marriage shall be the bridge to the nations) etc.. put me in a place of feeling like i had to do this or i would ruin everything even my family ... so i did with much fear and anxiety and the fears that i had came specificaly true and as i matured from the tail end of 17 to 19 and we mostly slept in seperate rooms and was even counseled that we should sleep together so that God could work in our lives as one. etc.. and doing it was repulsive to me not because she was horrible (she was actually pretty) but because i knew that i didnt love her and i was not ready to get married
so finally one day i talked to my dad like a man for the first time i told him that i didnt beleive this was right and i was not married to her in my heart and it was destroying me mentally and spiritually and physically and that i was going to seperate from her and then divorce her .. this conclusion came after months of praying and counseling
and i beleive it was what i had to do and God has rebuilt me and blessed me and i have a wonderful girlfriend of almost a year and we seek him together and God is good
but some would say that at 20 years old and after all i have been through that i cant remarry or whatever well i dont beleive that to be true
yes through this situation i have "fallen short of the glory of God" but i am now rebuilding it in His name and following Him not someone else
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Post by Laura on Jan 27, 2005 16:26:50 GMT -5
I do agree that you can rebuild in the name of Christ. But adultery is also biblical grounds for divorce, if I'm not mistaken. My dad cheated on my mom all through their marriage. I'm pretty sure, all 17 years of it. My mom did the right thing when she filed for divorce.
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Post by bloodstained777 on Jan 27, 2005 16:34:44 GMT -5
yes. my parents divorce was the best thing to ever happen to my family adultery can also be of the mind and my parents werent ever in love they got married before knowing christ because she was pregnant with me and they had my 2 sister but they were never good for each other every day was nothing but strife and they just "existed" together for 20 years but know EVERYONE is happier and God is finally "growing up" and teaching my dad compassion.. AMAZING and all our relationships are better as a result....
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Post by Laura on Jan 27, 2005 17:41:47 GMT -5
I think my mom and dad loved each other at one point. My mom told me she still misses certain things...but she knows that she made the right decision to divorce him. I know she was right too. I mean, my dad has been, for as long as I can remember, an alcoholic. He blatantly cheated on my mom when she was pregnant with my little brother. Things are better now that they are divorced, not to say that things weren't hard for me back then. I had a rough time dealing with it and to escape from that, I did some things when I was younger that I'm ashamed of now. I know God forgives me though.
Matthew 5:32 mentions what I was talking about..adultery being biblical grounds for divorce. It gives a little more detail, but it's what it says. "32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."
Besides, Exodus 20:14 should've made that painfully clear to my dad (who claims to read the Bible and know his commandments...I think he might've skipped over a passage or two though..)
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Post by JohnnyMetal on Jan 27, 2005 20:12:33 GMT -5
Well, back in the day, I was previously married but it wasn't so much of a marriage, really. It was full of stuff. Pornography was rampant and I couldn't keep my eyes of any woman. By 1997, the affairs were running wild and the mind games were played. By the end of 97, I may have lost out on the mind games, but I gained a Savior.
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Post by Laura on Jan 27, 2005 23:24:30 GMT -5
Well, that outweighs everything then doesn't it Johnny? You've turned your life completely around and dedicated it to Christ, and if you've repented and confessed your sins and asked for forgiveness (which I'm pretty positive you have ) then....none of that matters anymore. It's like it never happened. I do believe your name is in the Book of Life now
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Post by bloodstained777 on Jan 28, 2005 12:04:16 GMT -5
yes any kind of divorce has adultery in it, as any sin has some kind of consequence cursing, drinking, or even jealousy has here and now and some eternal consequences... i mean say theres a christian who turns 21 goes to vegas with some friends makes wrong decisions and ends up one moring with some girl in bed and a marraige certificate in his hand they realize they did somthing stupid and divorce and he repents and turns around his life and know God uses this situation to teach him maturity in his decisions (he turns all things for good when you call on him) yes even in this situation the word still stands the whole point is that we are stupid selfish children and even when we mess up our "sin" and these situations just show us how much we need christ and how we could never make it without him and his grace and his awesome love and mercy. its not about if we make a wrong decision or we fail in a relationship / marraige or even if we do screw up(we dont just stay down on the ground and say well i have failed I am an adulterer so i have no more victory and i will live my life in shame) NO we FALL and then stand up and turn about-face and cling to his garment for it is all we have just as paul said '" i do what i do not want to do and what i want to do i end up not doing" he also said "now that we have this grace let it drive us to strive to be more like him" this is what we strive for but when we fall we still dont stay down we REALIZE His amazing grace even the more and press on AMEN!!!!
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Post by Laura on Jan 28, 2005 16:51:43 GMT -5
*smiling* Hallelujah! hahahahaha
(FYI: not laughing at you....i've just never seen someone..well, preach like that on a message board. that's awesome dude haha)
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Post by JohnnyMetal on Jan 28, 2005 17:35:10 GMT -5
All to which I say
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Post by Kyle on Feb 10, 2005 21:16:13 GMT -5
lol yea thats really awsome
God Bless.
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Post by fleshnblud on May 24, 2005 23:55:49 GMT -5
"i mean say theres a christian who turns 21 goes to vegas with some friends makes wrong decisions and ends up one moring with some girl in bed and a marraige certificate in his hand they realize they did somthing stupid and divorce and he repents and turns around his life and know God uses this situation to teach him maturity in his decisions (he turns all things for good when you call on him)" Okay, so I know this was posted a LONG time ago...but...doing something stupid is not a grounds for divorce. [Jokingly- Britney Spears life saga is not a hermaneutic- ha ha ha] Perhaps another hypothetical sheds more light on this, and a better understanding of God's complete grace in general, say these two don't get married but she does get pregnant. One or both of them repent, but the baby is still alive...while the Bible does not explicitly demand that they marry, just because they repent does not mean that God will or must terminate the pregnancy...because of something stupid would it be then okay for them to have an abortion?! It sounds as though your thought process would allow for an abortion in this situation, that God would turn this too into a good out of a bad?! I hope I am misunderstanding you. You speak of consequences, it is true that God loves His children, but Hebrews clearly teaches that because of His love He disciplines and even punishes them! God does forgive us, Christ paid the price of our sin, but that does not mean that we are free of all consequences here on earth. Sin=lawlessness (1 Jn 3:4), the ulitmate law that we follow is God's, we follow it spiritually and practically (it is not just a guide for activities performed in the walls of the church). As CHRIST-ians---followers of Christ, we must follow Him as He has seen fit to reveal Himself not as we might contrive Him to be---this is man-made religion or man-made Christianity. If God has revealed Himself through His word, we are accountable to that revelation. "May my cry come before You, O Lord, give me understanding according TO YOUR WORD." (Ps 119:169)
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