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Post by scarsbeneathskin on Oct 16, 2005 16:00:21 GMT -5
Hey Morbid Marijuana is a weed. A weed is, for example, in a garden, a plant that overpowers the useful, intended plants & vegetables & kills them off. Put that in perspective of the Garden of Eden... if it was a paradise, created perfectly by God, then there could have been no weeds... so when did weeds come into play? After the fall of man & sin entered the world. Being natural does not make something automatically good for you, nor does it mean it's not harmful to you. As far as weed not having long term effects, well, i knew a guy who, from a young age drank & smoked weed... weed was his main drug of choice though. I can only think of 1 way to describe him... BURNT. I knew him for years after he came off everything. He never fully mentally recovered. Also, people say it isn't addictive... but i remember him having withdrawl symptoms from the weed. Sitting in my car shaking & sweating, talking about how he wanted to go light one up.
With relation to caffeine, etc... if you want to be technical, anything you eat that is bad for you is destructive to the 'Temple of God' (your body). So healthy eating would be considered right living.
As far as following the laws... you have to put it in priority... whats the priority? What God commands... so the 1st step is, whatever God says, you follow... if God says homosexuality is wrong, it's wrong. Though he says to follow the laws of the land, that mostly means pay your taxes, don't be violent, steal, kill, do drugs, speed & those sorts of things. But if the gov't says something is ok that God says is wrong, then you simply follow God's rule on the subject.
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lefty
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Post by lefty on Oct 17, 2005 19:09:12 GMT -5
Life is God's greatest gift on Earth. Drugs and Alcohol only alter people's lives in some way. Why would someone want to alter the greatest give our Lord has to offer is beyond my reasoning.
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Post by ezekiel on Oct 18, 2005 23:03:06 GMT -5
amen!turds are natural,but i wont eat one like a snickers bar!!!gross but it gets the point across.as i stated i smoked weed for a long time. i started at 18 and realized when Christ freed me that i hadnt matured past an 18 year old mentality. i didnt even know who i was!!! out of nothing, a new creation!!
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Post by amoyensis on Oct 20, 2005 0:30:12 GMT -5
Hey Morbid Marijuana is a weed. A weed is, for example, in a garden, a plant that overpowers the useful, intended plants & vegetables & kills them off. Put that in perspective of the Garden of Eden... if it was a paradise, created perfectly by God, then there could have been no weeds... so when did weeds come into play? After the fall of man & sin entered the world. Being natural does not make something automatically good for you, nor does it mean it's not harmful to you. I understand your point and I agree with your conclusion, but I don't think it's right to decry weed based on the fact that it didn't exist in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve also didn't eat meat until after sin had entered the world, but we all know that eating meat did not become sinful.
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Post by poophead on Oct 20, 2005 15:30:03 GMT -5
i love weed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just joking zZzzZzZZzZ
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Post by pilot on Oct 21, 2005 21:46:40 GMT -5
amen!turds are natural,but i wont eat one like a snickers bar!!!gross but it gets the point across.as i stated i smoked weed for a long time. i started at 18 and realized when Christ freed me that i hadnt matured past an 18 year old mentality. i didnt even know who i was!!! out of nothing, a new creation!! You make a good, gross point. I just don't understand how people can talk about smoking weed and not think it's wrong. I guess some people have more sense than others.
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Post by justinkroger on Oct 23, 2005 3:50:22 GMT -5
when in doubt, just dont do it!
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Post by undeceived on Oct 24, 2005 16:30:58 GMT -5
eh...personally...I find it wrong to do as a christian...but thats my opinion...unless you take it for an actuall illness
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Post by John on Oct 24, 2005 21:41:48 GMT -5
Pesonally I don't see why anybody would want to smoke weed. All you are doing is hurting your self.
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Post by amoyensis on Oct 26, 2005 22:03:14 GMT -5
It's ultimately a matter of hedonism. People value enjoyment more than they value their bodies and their self-awareness.
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tappistrt
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Post by tappistrt on Nov 11, 2005 0:41:47 GMT -5
Actually the THC gets stored in the fat cells of your brain for about two to four weeks. Ah, finally someone who knows how THC works! But it also does affect the brain as well: www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/marijuana.htmlAnyways, I smoked weed for a few years during my time "away" from God. My buddies and I did a few times a week when we hung out. We were all under 21, and it was way easier to get weed than alcohol. For me, it kinda lost its novelty after a while. Like others have said, weed is just as much of a drug as alcohol. Alcohol just happens to be more socially acceptable and "legal" because the government can control it to some extent (i.e. where it can be sold, who it can be sold to.) There are too many independent people supplying marijuana to the general public for the government to control it, therefore it's illegal. I've been around drunk people and high people. Personally, I would rather be around a stoned person than a durnk person. I've seen alcohol cause people to do really stupid things they regret-- get in fights with friends or strangers, have sex with random people, and so on. Then not to mention the horrible hangover the next day which absolutely sucks. Weed seems to do the exact opposite for most people-- they get giggly, but mostly relaxed, then eat some food and go to sleep. I'd honsetly rather be around stoned people than drunk people, since their behavior is much more predictable and relaxed. I've never once seen two potheads get in a fight or engage in much destructive behavior save, for eating a bunch of rich food. On the other hand though, I've seen pot turn people into lazy, good-for-nothing sloths who never accomplish anything with their lives. Alcoholism will do the same thing. Neither drug in excess will produce good results Now I'm not endorsing pot use in any way. In fact, I think it would be hard for a Christian to justify using it on a regular basis, since in the end, it is a drug. Same goes for alcohol. At this point in my life, I feel like I've basically had my fun with both substances. Getting drunk and/or smoking pot don't mix well with my faith, nor the healthy lifestyle I try to lead by exercising and lifting weights regularly. I don't touch pot anymore, and I have a drink every so often, but I don't get drunk. I don't have an addictive personality, and I've never had much need for a vice substance. So in the end, both substances are bad when used in excess. But IMO, if someone must have a vice of some sort, pot is the lesser of the two evils.
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Post by jingle on Nov 26, 2005 18:57:27 GMT -5
Have you read the book "Conversations with God"? In it, the author claims that God talked directly to him. It is a pretty interesting book. In the second book God talks about weed and says it is OK. www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571740562
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deadlock
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Post by deadlock on Nov 26, 2005 23:53:21 GMT -5
Personally, I have known a few people with medical problems that marijuana has helped them get through their pain, so in that way I believe it has some natural, herbalistic benefits. Is it the best herb for pain? Not sure, but the argument that because it is a drug and therefore should not be smoked by Christians doesn't really fly. Tylenol is a drug, just a man-made one.
However, Just because it does have some limited benefit for those who need it for medical reasons, I do believe it's wrong to do for the heck of it. Drinking alcohol in excess is wrong (even though I'm sometimes guilty). And this is where the comparison between marijuana and alcohol falters. You have to drink more than a few drinks in a short period of time to start feeling the effects. One or two glasses of beer or wine is not harmful, it is the consumption of too much that is bad for you. However, ONE joint gives you the same effect, so a joint is definitely stronger than a glass of beer or wine. And, the times when I have partaken of it, I got relaxed, my inhibitions were lowered, and temptations were certainly more enticing (though I never personally acted on them, I certainly THOUGHT about it). That is why I believe as a Christian it is wrong, because it does temporarily alter your thinking and it is easier to sin.
As for our leaders, the Bible says "Give Ceaser what is Ceasar's and give God what is God's". In other words, be a good citizen (follow the basic laws of the country), but realize that sometimes you need to stand for what is right if the law goes against God (The right to life, homosexual marriage..What a CONTRADICTION!, etc...) I do believe that there are peaceful ways of lobbying for laws, though, and believe that to resort to violence (such as bombing abortion clinics, etc) is wrong!
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Post by amoyensis on Nov 27, 2005 11:54:26 GMT -5
tappistrt and deadlock, I agree with both of you. I don't understand the stigma associated with marijuana when there is so much worse junk that we put into our systems. I don't think that justifies smoking, but I just don't think it should be seen as that bad.
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Post by Soupy Doopy on Nov 29, 2005 1:08:31 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of alcohol or drugs of any kind. Its ok to drink alcohol if not just trying to get wasted though. Its just an escape from reality. And if you use you not only affect yourself but the people around you. This issue is a big thing for me cus my dads an addict about 3 years ago he just left in the middle of the night and has been in and out of rehab clinics ever since. He was mainly doing crack, but recntly he's just been drinking and smoking pot. I dont think he's ever gonna move back with us, he does visit from time to time but he cant even keep regurly sceduled visits. Its really sad he's 45 and has been doing drugs since he was like 13 and he's less mature than me mentaly and I'm 16. People who do do pot and think nothings wrong with it really piss me off, I dont care if its less harmful than alcohol, thats just another excuse really.
P.S. in the bible people drank wine cus the water had alot of bacteria in it and the alcohol killed it.....correct me if I'm wrong
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