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Post by iamcatholic on Mar 29, 2006 14:39:28 GMT -5
How do you guys feel about this? Personally I support it 100% and I'd be writing to them if I was american. I wish we had the backbone to try this in Canada.
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Post by Derwydd. on Mar 30, 2006 16:22:34 GMT -5
...you support abortion?
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Post by iamcatholic on Mar 31, 2006 14:36:52 GMT -5
Ummmm, no... the law bans abortion for any reason except in defense of the mothers life... which would practically stop it altogether. It's a direct challenge AGAINST abortion.
God bless, Mike
EDIT: The reason I'm asking is because its just been passed and it's being challenged in the courts right now.
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Post by Derwydd. on Apr 1, 2006 19:25:42 GMT -5
aahhhh right on, sorry, i didn't know what the law was... probably should have checked it out before commenting.
oh man, i wish they had that law in Canada. if it wasn't a minority government right now i think Harper would do so, and he still might, we shall see what happens
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Post by iamcatholic on Apr 4, 2006 8:46:12 GMT -5
I think the conservatives changed their official position on abortion because it was unpopular. But theres still hope especially if this thing works out in the states.
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Post by splinteredvisions on May 10, 2006 4:09:01 GMT -5
I think it's good that it's finally happening because I always thought abortion was a states rights issue anyway. I really don't care for the Federal Government deciding things for the entire country. Which is why Bush's appointments to the Supreme Court are so important.
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Post by Laura on Sept 26, 2006 20:40:42 GMT -5
Wow, this is an extremely late response...but I have to say this
I still think that the excuse "defense of the mother's life" is complete and total bull. We have technology today that can prevent serious complications and death in mothers, IF the pregnant woman has enough sense to seek out prenatal care.
Abortion in any form, behind any excuse...is murder.
There was no practice of abortion in Bible times. Therefore, the Bible never specifically addresses the issue. However, there are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God's view of abortion is. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God's active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman's right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God's image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6).
The first argument that always arises against the Christian stance on abortion is, "What about cases of rape and/or incest?" As horrible as it would be to become pregnant as a result of rape and/or incest, does that make the murder of a baby the answer? Two wrongs do not make a right. The child who is a result of rape/incest could be given up for adoption to a loving family unable to have children on their own or the child could be raised by its mother. Again, the baby should not be punished for the evil acts of its father.
The second argument that usually arises against the Christian stance on abortion is, "What about when the life of the mother is at risk?" Honestly, this is the most difficult question to answer on the issue of abortion. First, let's remember that this situation is the reason behind less than one-tenth of one percent of the abortions done in the world today. Second, let's remember that God is a God of miracles. He can preserve the life of a mother and a child despite all the medical odds being against it. Ultimately, though, this question can only be decided between a husband, wife, and God. Any couple facing this extremely difficult situation should pray to the Lord for wisdom (James 1:5) as to what He would have them to do.
For those who have had an abortion, the sin of abortion is no less forgivable than any other sin. Through faith in Christ, any and all sins can be forgiven (John 3:16; Rom 8:1; Col 1:14).
Recommended Resource: The Hand of God: A Journey from Death to Life by the Abortion Doctor Who Changed His Mind by Bernard Nathanson.
As a woman, if I knew my life was in danger, I'd definitely pray. The irony here is this: I'm underweight for my age and height, nothing I do makes me gain weight. My doctor has told me that if I didn't gain weight and my hips stayed the size they are now, I'd have complications concerning pregnancy and labor. But I would NOT, under any circumstances destroy the life that God obviously has a purpose for. I'd pray that if my life was to end, at least the baby find some couple who loved it like I would. I wouldn't let my own mortality scare me to the point of murder.
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Post by splinteredvisions on Nov 3, 2006 2:41:11 GMT -5
I still think that the excuse "defense of the mother's life" is complete and total bull. We have technology today that can prevent serious complications and death in mothers, IF the pregnant woman has enough sense to seek out prenatal care. Abortion in any form, behind any excuse...is murder. Very true, but you'll never convince the pro-choice (anti-life to be more accurate) people of that. However, I'd be willing to allow abortions for the three main reasons that are always stated: Rape, Incest and Life of the Mother (not that I agree with any of those mind you). Because of all the millions of abortions performed each year less then 5% are actually performed for one of those three reasons, it's mostly because of inconvenience. So if congress passed a law allowing abortions for ONLY those three reasons the amount of abortions would drop dramatically.
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Post by youretalkingtoeric on Nov 9, 2006 0:22:41 GMT -5
Nobody has the right to do what is morally wrong.
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Post by goarmy559 on Feb 13, 2007 0:45:14 GMT -5
I despise abortion with a burning passion. I think that it's evil and selfish, and hate when people say crap like, "It's the woman's choice, not the baby's!". The woman's choice was to be immoral and wrong, so therefore why should an innocent baby suffer for someone's inability to keep their pants up? Sorry for that, btw, but like I said, I am totally against abortion and think that our country needs to outlaw it altogether (with the exception of the mother's life being in danger).
Plus, why can't they just go through the pregnancy and then give up the baby for adoption to a family that would actually give it a good life? I mean, why kill something that another family would cherish and love forever? It just doesn't make sense, and is the result of total selfishness and an "it's all about me and what I want" attitude.
Oh yeah, I also hate when people say, "Oh the baby can't feel the pain, it's quick and painless and their too young and undeveloped to feel anything!" Well if that's the case, then why are the babies SCREAMING when they are getting aborted? If they can't feel pain, why do they feel terror and agony as they are getting killed?
So yeah, that's my rant on abortion. Like I said, I hate the idea of abortion and think that it is one of the lowest forms of evil running rampant in the world today.
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Post by amoyensis on Feb 13, 2007 12:46:41 GMT -5
On a moral level I agree with you guys, but I think we have to be careful with how we paint this picture.
The problem with a lot of liberal (e.g. Democrat) policies is that they almost seem to encourage abortions. Conversely, the problem with a lot of conservative (e.g. Republican) policies is that they attempt to make abortions impossible... and yet they do not put the social programs in place to help pregnant mothers.
I guess my point is, we need to be careful with labelling people 'anti-life', and going on protests, and whatnot. We don't convince people of our cause by telling them they're murderers, we should convince them by love.
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Post by Ferd Berfel on Feb 25, 2007 1:33:27 GMT -5
My personal view on abortion is that it should be illegal in all cases.
People always use the rape/incest argument, which makes me laugh, because I'm the product of a rape. My great grandmother was 14 years old when she was raped by a judge and became pregnant with my grandmother, and she decided to carry the baby all the way and give birth, even though the person who raped her threatened to kill her if she didn't get an abortion.
Later, my grandmother became pregnant with my mother, and my mother was supposed to die during the pregnancy, and so my grandmother was encouraged to get an abortion. She didn't though, and my mom lived.
Later still, my mom became pregnant with me, and she also had a kind of tumor in her womb that was growing faster than I was. Four independant doctors all told her that she would die in the pregnancy, and that I would die with her. They also said that I would kill her in childbirth, and that I would be stillborn. She carried me anyway, and gave birth to me, and I'm perfectly healthy and she's still perfectly healthy.
Even later still, she became pregnant with my brother, and three more independant doctors (not the ones mentioned above) all told her that he would be stillborn, or he would be born blind/deaf/mute/mentally retarded, and that she would die in childbirth. She carried him and gave birth to him anway, and she is still perfectly healthy, and so is he. He actually plays tennis on the varsity team at his high school, and he's a freshman.
I started taking college classes at age 13.
People always say that we're better off losing the unborn children, because their mothers are more important. I owe my mother, grandmother, and great grandmother a huge debt because of their firm unbelief of abortion, and because of those situations, I am also given over to hate and despise abortion in all cases.
Feel free to flame away now.
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Post by foreverlost on Feb 25, 2007 20:59:42 GMT -5
Wow...thats amazing and I'm really glad that your great grandmother, your grandmother and your mother went through with having their children. Thats truly amazing and just comes to show a person that God really is in control, not some silly doctor that just has the "Maybes...or the this might happen's"
(Side note) Not saying all Doctors are silly or stupid....I respect them....
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Post by Atheo on Mar 20, 2007 7:51:19 GMT -5
I believe abortion is wrong unless it is in defense of the mother's life- and the baby's life. If, say, the fetus is trapped in the fallopian tubes and will mature and develop there, it will die. It will take the mother with it. Ferd Berfel, you and your acestor are very lucky. Because of the repitition in your family, it's possible you possess a gene that makes pregnancy and birth easier, so even if there are complications you stand a better chance. However, your cases are very rare. If the fetus is trapped in the fallopian tubes and will kill the mother as well as itself, it makes no sense to not get an abortion. Abortions are not pleasant for the baby, to be sure, but it will die in a fashion no less unpleasant if it is not aborted- and then it will kill the mother as well.
As for abortions because of rape, this is incredibly stupid. there are many families looking for a child to adopt; no need to kill the child.
any other abortions are evil because if the mother is not willing to take the consequences of her sexual actions, she should not have had sex.
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Post by Atheo on Apr 1, 2007 16:33:43 GMT -5
Man, this sub-board is truly dead, isn't it?
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