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Post by radar on Oct 1, 2006 13:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by Laura on Oct 2, 2006 12:35:01 GMT -5
Religion and politics should never mix. They both screw us up enough as it is, think about what it would be like if they combined forces.
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Oct 2, 2006 13:06:47 GMT -5
Pont from History: Puritans in the new world wanted a theocracy and the only people who could rule were people that were elected. But, they had a dilemma, how do you know who is and who isn't? So they had this popularity contest of sorts, i dunno actually how they did it, but they would basically look at the outer values: appearance, wealth, etc of a person, and whoever was favored the most or seemed to be the most Godly, would be a leader. That's no way an effective way to choose a government. There are plenty of other examples thoughout history, but i really thought this one applied the most- plus i just learned about this in History class. very interesting.
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Post by amoyensis on Oct 2, 2006 23:47:22 GMT -5
Although we claim a democracy, people generally choose their leaders according to puritanical ideas anyway...
When do you think we'll have a prime minister / president who is obese? In a wheelchair? Physically deformed somehow (e.g. missing an eye, has a large scar on his face, something like that)? I doubt it'll happen anytime soon in our society.
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Oct 3, 2006 0:05:00 GMT -5
Although we claim a democracy, people generally choose their leaders according to puritanical ideas anyway... When do you think we'll have a prime minister / president who is obese? In a wheelchair? Physically deformed somehow (e.g. missing an eye, has a large scar on his face, something like that)? I doubt it'll happen anytime soon in our society. Yeah, thats definitly true. There were other things where theocracy messed up, but i can't remember where and what.
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Post by splinteredvisions on Oct 12, 2006 21:14:37 GMT -5
So religion and politics don't mix...so are we saying here that Christians shouldn't get involved in any way? Does that include voting? Personally I think part of the reason this country has gone down hill as much as it has BECAUSE Christians have stood by and watched it happen, instead of standing up and making their voice heard. I don't think Preachers should be telling their congregations from the pulpit how to vote, but I think they should make it clear what Scripture says about all the issues. Then encourage them to do the research and find out where they stand (according to Scripture of course) and then most importantly VOTE!
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Post by radar on Oct 12, 2006 21:25:30 GMT -5
i think the point the video was trying to make was "don't vote for someone just because they say they are a Christian" or "just because they are a democrat/republican"
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Post by lordconsumeme on Oct 24, 2006 20:00:28 GMT -5
i would vote for Jesus for president...
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Post by radar on Oct 24, 2006 22:10:59 GMT -5
that's too bad, because there's no democracy in Heaven.
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Post by lordconsumeme on Oct 24, 2006 23:43:10 GMT -5
hehe
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Post by amoyensis on Oct 26, 2006 15:44:15 GMT -5
So religion and politics don't mix...so are we saying here that Christians shouldn't get involved in any way? Does that include voting? Personally I think part of the reason this country has gone down hill as much as it has BECAUSE Christians have stood by and watched it happen, instead of standing up and making their voice heard. I don't think Preachers should be telling their congregations from the pulpit how to vote, but I think they should make it clear what Scripture says about all the issues. Then encourage them to do the research and find out where they stand (according to Scripture of course) and then most importantly VOTE! The problem is the bipartisan electoral system. It's pretty bad in the States when the two opposing 'official' parties are extremely similar on a wide range of issues that Christians really should care about but tend not to. And there's of course the annoying misconception that voting for a third party is a 'wasted vote'.
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Post by lordconsumeme on Oct 28, 2006 18:42:47 GMT -5
Religion and politics should never mix. They both screw us up enough as it is, think about what it would be like if they combined forces. Again i will say it i would vote for Jesus for president, im not jsut trying to be silly, im actualy trying to state something here... try applying the question to yourself... (jsut something to think on)
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Post by safehaven on Nov 15, 2006 1:27:10 GMT -5
Christianity and Politics can't help but mix. Christians can't escape it without totally leaving this world to the point of no longer being able to reach the lost (think Amishlike).
But the Christian shouldn't try to escape it. The Bible is a very political book. We believe Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. That's an affront to every leader on this planet. It says to every leader that he is inferior to Christ and will give an account to Him for the way he has governed.
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Post by amoyensis on Nov 15, 2006 3:22:27 GMT -5
I think at a larger and general level perhaps it is a political book, definitely in the sense that we do ally ourselves with God even if that's at the expense of the current government. I agree with you there. But in terms of specifics I don't think it can be considered a guide to the political landscape, and I think that's what we mean by not mixing Christianity and politics.
For sure it isn't as clear-cut as 'REAL Christians vote for ___ party'.
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Post by safehaven on Nov 15, 2006 11:09:01 GMT -5
So we shouldn't look at the Bible and It's values and vote for folks who best represent those values?
I think the Bible is a better source of law and government than, say, the autonomy of man. That seems to be the way the people of Israel acted at the end of Judges: "Everyone did what was right in his own eyes"
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