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Post by undeceived on Sept 2, 2005 3:24:53 GMT -5
Sometimes i don't understand the christian music industry..or the music industry for that matter....it's like bands that have christian lyrics in their songs but they dont want to be labeled as a christian band....sometimes it sounds like an exuse so they wont get hated...i've heard the whole "we'r not a ministry" thing...but it's like christian sites and stores sell their albums and sometimes they will be a on a primarily christian label...i dunno if its me or what..i won't mention any band names but i think y'all know what i mean...
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Post by amoyensis on Sept 2, 2005 16:14:56 GMT -5
Yeah. I think people don't like the label 'Christian band' because it has developed an inherently negative connotation - and I think the connotation is well-deserved. Since their origin, Christian rock bands have primarily been bands who rip off mainstream acts, infuse a Christian message, and market their album to Christian moms and dads who don't want their kids listening to 'worldly' music. Some of that has changed; a lot of it hasn't. I think that, by denying that they are a Christian band, many bands intend to prevent themselves from having an exclusively Christian audience.
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Post by matrix on Sept 2, 2005 22:06:26 GMT -5
Personally, I love being in a Christian metal band. Why? Because since we are labeled as Christian Death Metal (ironic...), people then watch us more closely, and believe me, do they watch. We are all 4 still in high school, and so, it's tough.
We took on the label of Christian Death metal rather than just Death Metal because we decided to become a ministry rather than just a band. We make a huge effort to make the people around us not feel like "Hey, they are in a band so they are better than us and won't talk to us". It makes them watch how we live our lives, too, sort of compelling us to strive for Godliness.
It may not be the most appropriate way at first glance to get closer, but after a while, it becomes to where it doesn't seem so bad. At first, it seems like we force ourselves to be Christians, but now, it's more like we love it. We actually strive to be better because of it.
But, yeah. That's my 2 cents.
Oh, and if a band goes from Christian to mainstream, I retain respect only when they don't compromise their beliefs (which is why i only like P.O.D. and Blinside from mainstream).
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Post by hitokiri on Sept 2, 2005 22:15:48 GMT -5
So they can reach more people, hm?
By having Christian lyrics but playing shows with known secular artists while sharing Christ through your music to people who otherwise would never hear it does alot more then just sticking with a certain group of artists and genres that just focus on Christianity.
Though it does get annoying when a band acts like a politician and flip flops on the "Christian Band or Secular" issue.
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Post by The Enforcer on Sept 3, 2005 11:15:10 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with amoyensis and matrix. I feel it's easier for a metal band to come out and say they are "christian metal" than it is for a rock band to label themselves as Christian. The reason behind that idea is I know people who aren't Christians, but as long as the music is good, they listen to Living Sacrifice, Extol, etc. Living Sacrifice was quite open with their faith and they nearly were on OzzFest, which of course is made up of secualr metal acts. I'll probably get some backlash for this, but I listen to bands which aren't exactly "kosher" material for believers, such as Tool, Slipknot and Slayer. Since the metal scene (for the most part) doesn't care about faith, the message may be missed, thus making the "ministry" useless if the band's goal is to evangelize to nonbelievers.
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Post by cjc on Sept 4, 2005 14:53:25 GMT -5
Its cool Enforcer. Your not alone. I myself, still listen to some stuff from "back in the day" like Pantera, Storm Troopers of Death, and King Diamond every now and then. I would probably catch some flack for it as well, being in church leadership, but It doesn't create a problem for me in my personal walk with the Lord.
I can see what your saying about the missed message but there's always the posibility of a receptive heart in the crowd.
As for the topic at hand. I think that some artists use the Christian music scene to get in the busness with the intention of "crossing over" to make some "real money". I know that Evanesence was never a "Christian band"but that they admitted to being Christians. Now I hear from a freind that they have totally renounced their faith. But I think thats just a rumor.
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Post by Keaton Kaðall the Horrible on Sept 4, 2005 15:55:48 GMT -5
Its cool Enforcer. Your not alone. I myself, still listen to some stuff from "back in the day" like Pantera, Storm Troopers of Death, and King Diamond every now and then. I would probably catch some flack for it as well, being in church leadership, but It doesn't create a problem for me in my personal walk with the Lord. I can see what your saying about the missed message but there's always the posibility of a receptive heart in the crowd. As for the topic at hand. I think that some artists use the Christian music scene to get in the busness with the intention of "crossing over" to make some "real money". I know that Evanesence was never a "Christian band"but that they admitted to being Christians. Now I hear from a freind that they have totally renounced their faith. But I think thats just a rumor. I saw a picture of a member of Evanescence, in a band promo pic, flipping off the camera. Whether or not they have renounced their faith, I don't have any respect for them for what they've done. And also, what do you mean matrix, Blindide isn't a Christian band? I usually have a lot to say on this exact topic of discussion, but for some reason, I can't really think of anything to add. |
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Post by matrix on Sept 5, 2005 14:29:36 GMT -5
Its cool Enforcer. Your not alone. I myself, still listen to some stuff from "back in the day" like Pantera, Storm Troopers of Death, and King Diamond every now and then. I would probably catch some flack for it as well, being in church leadership, but It doesn't create a problem for me in my personal walk with the Lord. I can see what your saying about the missed message but there's always the posibility of a receptive heart in the crowd. As for the topic at hand. I think that some artists use the Christian music scene to get in the busness with the intention of "crossing over" to make some "real money". I know that Evanesence was never a "Christian band"but that they admitted to being Christians. Now I hear from a freind that they have totally renounced their faith. But I think thats just a rumor. I saw a picture of a member of Evanescence, in a band promo pic, flipping off the camera. Whether or not they have renounced their faith, I don't have any respect for them for what they've done. And also, what do you mean matrix, Blindide isn't a Christian band? I usually have a lot to say on this exact topic of discussion, but for some reason, I can't really think of anything to add. No, no, no... you just misinterpretted. I said I have respect and love for Blindside and P.O.D. because they seem like they are the only two bands that hit mainstream from Christian that didn't end up denouncing they were Christian. I don't know about relient K yet, but I alreayd didn't like relient K, so my opinion on them won't matter much. |
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Post by Derwydd. on Sept 5, 2005 15:29:27 GMT -5
As I Lay Dying is going on tour with Slipknot and Unearth...
hopefully AILD will have some influence on the other bands.
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Post by The Enforcer on Sept 5, 2005 15:45:53 GMT -5
As I Lay Dying is going on tour with Slipknot and Unearth... hopefully AILD will have some influence on the other bands. You should pick up the So & So Says issue of HM Mag that came out last fall. One of the Slipknot percussionists had a very interesting interview. All I have to say is that you can't judge a book by it's cover. |
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Post by amoyensis on Sept 5, 2005 23:06:20 GMT -5
Its cool Enforcer. Your not alone. I myself, still listen to some stuff from "back in the day" like Pantera, Storm Troopers of Death, and King Diamond every now and then. I would probably catch some flack for it as well, being in church leadership, but It doesn't create a problem for me in my personal walk with the Lord. I can see what your saying about the missed message but there's always the posibility of a receptive heart in the crowd. As for the topic at hand. I think that some artists use the Christian music scene to get in the busness with the intention of "crossing over" to make some "real money". I know that Evanesence was never a "Christian band"but that they admitted to being Christians. Now I hear from a freind that they have totally renounced their faith. But I think thats just a rumor. I saw a picture of a member of Evanescence, in a band promo pic, flipping off the camera. Whether or not they have renounced their faith, I don't have any respect for them for what they've done. There's a picture of three of the Extol members flipping off a camera. It was posted on MetalHQ awhile ago. I don't think I've changed my view of them... |
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Post by matrix on Sept 6, 2005 15:30:57 GMT -5
We are all sinners. God doesn't judge a sin bigger than another. Flipping off the camera is just as bad as yelling at your best friend or even murdering someone.
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Post by Derwydd. on Sept 6, 2005 19:49:35 GMT -5
As I Lay Dying is going on tour with Slipknot and Unearth... hopefully AILD will have some influence on the other bands. You should pick up the So & So Says issue of HM Mag that came out last fall. One of the Slipknot percussionists had a very interesting interview. All I have to say is that you can't judge a book by it's cover. oh yeah! i forgot about that, i read it a while ago |
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Post by cjc on Sept 6, 2005 20:38:50 GMT -5
We are all sinners. God doesn't judge a sin bigger than another. Flipping off the camera is just as bad as yelling at your best friend or even murdering someone. You are exactly right matrix. When I mentioned the evanessence thing I didn't mean flippin the bird at the camera = renounced faith. I heard that Amy actually said in an interview somthing like Yeah I'm not a chistian -or- I don't belive that way anymore. Again. Its Just a rumor. |
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Post by The Enforcer on Sept 6, 2005 22:43:46 GMT -5
I think John LeCompt and Rocky Gray are the only Christians in Evanescence. Having two ex-Christian Metalers in your band, plus covering a Christian Death Metal band's song certainly didn't help their image if they truly didn't want to be a Christian band. I bet if they didn't get as popular as they did, they wouldn't make such a big deal over the label.
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