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Post by davo on Oct 11, 2009 13:14:33 GMT -5
Im gonna guess steven hawkings who?
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Post by runny on Oct 11, 2009 16:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by Metzuda on Oct 11, 2009 18:12:19 GMT -5
Im gonna guess steven hawkings Sorry, my typo. Go figure. Even if there were 800 million fossils buried there (and how the hell do you estimate a number that large when they are buried?) how did they all get there? Even if there were 200,000 fossils, in order for them to become fossils they would have to all died within a short time of each other and be buried, so that they would be preserved. How do you explain 800 million fossils dying simultaneously, all within on degree longitude and latitude of each other? Not simultaneously, or even close to the same time. The various layers in which the are found were laid down over millions upon millions of years. 2100 vertebrates building up in an acre over millions of years isn't that hard to imagine, I would think. Except that it doesn't really work like that. In order for things to be fossilised, their environment must meet certain conditions, of course depending on the kind of fossilisation. Processes like mummification or pyritisation obviously need different conditions, but that isn't the issue with the Karoo Supergroup. Conditions are, roughly: - The specimen must be quickly buried to avoid any biostratinomic processes (reorientation, disarticulation, fragmentation, and corrosion) [McCarthy, T. & Rubidge, B. 2005. The Story of Earth and Life: A southern African perspective on a 4.6-billion-year journey. Struik Publishers, Cape Town.].
- The specimen must be buried without air, as it will encourage bacteria, resulting in decay [same source as #1].
- Specimen containing hard parts (e.g. bones) but this is not necessary, just increases the likelyhood of fossilisation. [Martin, R.E. 1999. Taphonomy: A Process Approach. Cambridge University Press.]
My point is that the fossils still would have had to die in groups, it wasn't just one here, one there... that happens, but not en masse. In order for such a large concentration of fossils to form, the highest likelihood is a catastrophic event of some sort. The density of the finds within the Karoo Supergroup and the conditions for fossilisation suggest that, at the very least, the specimens where deposited by repeated large-scale local floods over time, which would meet the sedimentary conditions, explain the proximity of the fossils, and also the number of them. This does not discount a local flood at all, either, since we are just guessing at numbers, as I explained with Broom. We don't actually know how many fossils are in the Karoo formation, there is no way to really guess accurately. I love how the link omits the "g"...
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 11, 2009 20:45:44 GMT -5
Biblical References to Age etc: Genesis 1 & 2 (7 days etc.) -note that Genesis 1:14 states that there were stars in the sky meaning the light from stars was visible. *A theory has been proposed that over time the speed of light has changed. Also, scientists have been able to alter the speed of light. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011801683.html Genesis 5:5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Mark 10:6 But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' A summarization: Present to Jesus: ~2,000 years Jesus to Abraham: ~2,000 years Abraham to Adam: Unknown In conclusion: I do not know for sure the age of the earth but I do not believe that God would ever try to deceive us. (for example, make things appear a certain way in order to trick us) Titus 1:2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
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Post by Metzuda on Oct 12, 2009 6:33:25 GMT -5
I don't get how God creating something to be fully functional when He intends it to be needed is deceitful. This is the same God that predestines some to salvation and glory, the same God that produced fully grown plants and animals out of the ground before Adam's eyes.
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Post by tohellwithhades on Oct 13, 2009 17:01:56 GMT -5
Biblical References to Age etc: Genesis 1 & 2 (7 days etc.) -note that Genesis 1:14 states that there were stars in the sky meaning the light from stars was visible. *A theory has been proposed that over time the speed of light has changed. Also, scientists have been able to alter the speed of light. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011801683.html Genesis 5:5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Mark 10:6 But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' A summarization: Present to Jesus: ~2,000 years Jesus to Abraham: ~2,000 years Abraham to Adam: Unknown In conclusion: I do not know for sure the age of the earth but I do not believe that God would ever try to deceive us. (for example, make things appear a certain way in order to trick us) Titus 1:2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Abraham was born 1017 years after Adam died (I've been mapping out a timeline since the beginning of Genesis): Present to Jesus: ~2,000 years Jesus to Abraham: ~2,000 years Abraham to Adam: 1,017 years Adam to Creation: ~930 years
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Post by Metzuda on Oct 13, 2009 22:31:14 GMT -5
If you work out a complete chronology of the Bible as far as you can (which I did in 2007) it works out to around ~6000 years from Adam to present, give or take a few decades.
What I find interesting is this: if Jesus returns in our generation, there would be an interesting parallel in the order of creation. God created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th... the earth is around for 6000 years, and then there is a 1000 year millennial reign. Not saying that's the case, but it would be interesting...
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Oct 13, 2009 22:34:48 GMT -5
indeed
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 17, 2009 1:44:37 GMT -5
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Post by clareabel on Oct 17, 2009 2:03:32 GMT -5
That was hilarious.
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Oct 17, 2009 4:31:42 GMT -5
That was retarded, lame, etc.
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Post by Scott on Oct 17, 2009 10:30:39 GMT -5
"Thank Me it's Friday"
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Post by Muffy on Oct 17, 2009 12:59:31 GMT -5
HAHA that was epic.
I'm tired of debating. Let's just make fun of everything. f**k religion, and f**k science.
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Post by Metzuda on Oct 18, 2009 4:06:31 GMT -5
That was incredibly amusing.
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Oct 18, 2009 6:16:53 GMT -5
this seems to be just as relevant to the discussion.
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