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Post by Ferd Berfel on Oct 1, 2009 23:09:11 GMT -5
Here is one source on my reason for thinking the earth may only be thousands of years old: www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/could-god-have-created-in-six-daysLook at the section titled 'The "Days" of Genesis 1'. It explores the possibility of the six days of creation being, literally, six 24-hour periods due to the original meaning of the Hebrew word 'day' used in Genesis. If that pans out and you start following Adam's/Eve's and Cain's lineages throughout the Bible, I think the possibility of thousands makes sense (as they would have been created days after the start of creation). How, then, do you explain fossils, radiometric dating, and all the other methods that are commonly used that show the earth as much, much older? Did Satan put them there to tempt us to not believe in God? Or was God just being deliberately deceitful when He orchestrated the universe so that we can look at the stars that are millions of light years away, or perhaps the cosmic microwave background radiation that is 14 billion light years away, and say "Hey, this is only a few thousand years old!"? Could it be the fact that as we look further away from the Earth in distance, we also see a regression in development in the universe that extends for billions of light years? If God created the universe, if all the evidence points to the universe being billions of years old (and the world itself being billions of years old), and God expects us to just deny everything that we see and say "Nope, it's all just a lie", doesn't that sound somewhat malevolent of Him?
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Post by Fyacin on Oct 1, 2009 23:10:37 GMT -5
Because science is totally infallible guys!
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 1, 2009 23:41:49 GMT -5
God didn't create the universe by some big-bang-esque method, he carefully placed each planet in it's specific place with his own physical hands then went Raiden-style on the universe.
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Post by tohellwithhades on Oct 1, 2009 23:53:46 GMT -5
Here is one source on my reason for thinking the earth may only be thousands of years old: www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/could-god-have-created-in-six-daysLook at the section titled 'The "Days" of Genesis 1'. It explores the possibility of the six days of creation being, literally, six 24-hour periods due to the original meaning of the Hebrew word 'day' used in Genesis. If that pans out and you start following Adam's/Eve's and Cain's lineages throughout the Bible, I think the possibility of thousands makes sense (as they would have been created days after the start of creation). How, then, do you explain fossils, radiometric dating, and all the other methods that are commonly used that show the earth as much, much older? Did Satan put them there to tempt us to not believe in God? Or was God just being deliberately deceitful when He orchestrated the universe so that we can look at the stars that are millions of light years away, or perhaps the cosmic microwave background radiation that is 14 billion light years away, and say "Hey, this is only a few thousand years old!"? Could it be the fact that as we look further away from the Earth in distance, we also see a regression in development in the universe that extends for billions of light years? If God created the universe, if all the evidence points to the universe being billions of years old (and the world itself being billions of years old), and God expects us to just deny everything that we see and say "Nope, it's all just a lie", doesn't that sound somewhat malevolent of Him? In regards to our dating systems, who knows, but they are not infallible. As far as the fossils, sediments, etc. are concerned, think about the flood; aside from the ark, it wiped out the rest of the earth. Floods, as we all know, act as dangerous torrents known to move and churn land and anything else in the way. Distance, has nothing necessarily to do with age (i.e. stars being "millions of light-years away"). It also doesn't make sense to say that the suggested regression of the universe means it's millions of years old vs. thousands of years old. The regression just means, that, whatever age old existence is, it looks like it's past the threshold of expansion.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 1, 2009 23:59:53 GMT -5
^if the stars are millions of light years away that would mean that the light we see from them should have taken millions of years to get here.
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Post by Brent on Oct 2, 2009 4:51:52 GMT -5
Because science is totally infallible guys! Because God is totally infallible guys! (you just set yourself up for that one)
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Post by Scott on Oct 2, 2009 7:18:41 GMT -5
In regards to our dating systems, who knows, but they are not infallible. As far as the fossils, sediments, etc. are concerned, think about the flood; aside from the ark, it wiped out the rest of the earth. Floods, as we all know, act as dangerous torrents known to move and churn land and anything else in the way. This just reminds me of one little thing...a lot of YECs use the "seashells on Everest" argument, not realising that it actually points toward a billions-of-years-old earth.
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Post by Fyacin on Oct 2, 2009 8:36:34 GMT -5
Because science is totally infallible guys! Because God is totally infallible guys! (you just set yourself up for that one) Well yeah. Wouldn't be much of a God if he wasn't.
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Post by Muffy on Oct 2, 2009 9:00:20 GMT -5
Here is one source on my reason for thinking the earth may only be thousands of years old: www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/could-god-have-created-in-six-daysLook at the section titled 'The "Days" of Genesis 1'. It explores the possibility of the six days of creation being, literally, six 24-hour periods due to the original meaning of the Hebrew word 'day' used in Genesis. If that pans out and you start following Adam's/Eve's and Cain's lineages throughout the Bible, I think the possibility of thousands makes sense (as they would have been created days after the start of creation). How, then, do you explain fossils, radiometric dating, and all the other methods that are commonly used that show the earth as much, much older? Did Satan put them there to tempt us to not believe in God? Or was God just being deliberately deceitful when He orchestrated the universe so that we can look at the stars that are millions of light years away, or perhaps the cosmic microwave background radiation that is 14 billion light years away, and say "Hey, this is only a few thousand years old!"? Could it be the fact that as we look further away from the Earth in distance, we also see a regression in development in the universe that extends for billions of light years? If God created the universe, if all the evidence points to the universe being billions of years old (and the world itself being billions of years old), and God expects us to just deny everything that we see and say "Nope, it's all just a lie", doesn't that sound somewhat malevolent of Him? How, then, do YOU explain fossils, radiometric dating, and all the other methods that are commonly used that show the earth as much, much older? My problem with radiometric dating is that who knows how radioactive the material was when it "began"? Relative dating (how fossils are dated) can determine the sequential order in which a series of events occurred, not when they occur. Because science is totally infallible guys! Because God is totally infallible guys! (you just set yourself up for that one) God is infallible. It's just the humans that try to understand him that aren't always right.
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Post by Scott on Oct 2, 2009 9:58:51 GMT -5
Radiometric dating is actually done through analysis of Carbon-14. Assumptions are made, of course, as to exactly how much C-14 was present in the life-form when it was buried; however, given common carbon percentages within species today we can figure that we are pretty close. Once an organism is buried, it is shielded from cosmic rays that convert C-12 into C-14. The C-14 then begins to breakdown at a known half-life. This is what is being measured.
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Post by runny on Oct 2, 2009 10:36:45 GMT -5
Yep, Millions of years, not thousands.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 2, 2009 13:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by Josh on Oct 2, 2009 19:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by Brent on Oct 2, 2009 20:07:13 GMT -5
Let me get this straight
God is infallible, but humans aren't always right.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE GOD IS INFALLIBLE IF HUMANS AREN'T ALWAYS RIGHT
I love circular logic!
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Post by conner on Oct 3, 2009 0:50:38 GMT -5
I love lamp.
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