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Post by splinteredvisions on May 10, 2006 4:40:53 GMT -5
So what do guys think of all these protests in support of the illegal immigrants? I think it's messed up that people who are here illegally are protesting and demanding rights that they DO NOT have. I'm all for immigrants coming to this country for a better life but ONLY if they go through the proper channels. Now I know I was born here so I have the luxury of having all the rights of an American citizen without having to do anything. But it really is a national security issue we can not just let anyone in, then we would have many more 9/11's.
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Post by amoyensis on May 10, 2006 13:48:08 GMT -5
If you're equating the protesters with the terrorists then you're dead wrong.
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Post by splinteredvisions on May 10, 2006 15:16:28 GMT -5
No that's not what I was doing at all, I was just saying that opening the flood gates and allowing anyone in without question would allow terrorists to easily enter and make them harder to keep track of.
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Post by amoyensis on May 10, 2006 15:20:41 GMT -5
Yes, it would be. Now how is that relevant to the protests? You said that this is a security issue and could produce another 9/11.
Of the 48 terrorists studied in case studies by the Center for Immigration Studies, 17 were Lawful Permanent Residents (citizens), 16 were on temporary visas, 12 were illegal, and 3 were seeking asylum.
Now, in your first post you opposed granting citizen rights to the illegal immigrants. What do you believe should be done with them?
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Post by radar on May 10, 2006 17:36:01 GMT -5
it's something i've been debating for some time now, and i see both views points
take these two economic view points for example:
For-
They make up a vast percentage of the (minimum-wage) working class
Against-
They don't pay taxes
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Post by amoyensis on May 11, 2006 10:45:42 GMT -5
Well, they still do pay certain taxes. You can't avoid sales tax.
In any case, these guys are taking jobs that nobody else wants to have and doing it for less money than anyone else is willing to take. Many Wal-Mart chains intentionally seek out illegal immigrants because these guys will work overtime for lower than minimum wage (since, if they report it, they'll be found out as illegal immigrants). 10% of the US economy goes through Wal-Mart.
It's a tough issue, because you don't want to encourage people to illegally enter your country. But these guys aren't the criminals you're looking for. In fact, they're very careful about the law because they know that if they're even talked to by the cops, they could be deported.
So I dunno. Can you really deport 12 million people? Is that good for any country, economically or otherwise?
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Post by radar on May 11, 2006 17:03:14 GMT -5
So I dunno. Can you really deport 12 million people? Is that good for any country, economically or otherwise? yea, that seems pretty ridiculous to me. |
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Post by koihoshi on May 11, 2006 17:30:36 GMT -5
Well, they still do pay certain taxes. You can't avoid sales tax. You can too. You move to Oregon. |
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Post by radar on May 11, 2006 17:38:28 GMT -5
Well, they still do pay certain taxes. You can't avoid sales tax. You can too. You move to Oregon. ? |
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Post by koihoshi on May 11, 2006 17:40:54 GMT -5
We have no sales tax.
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Post by radar on May 12, 2006 0:25:47 GMT -5
 i'm stupid. i didn't know that.
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Post by amoyensis on May 12, 2006 13:24:18 GMT -5
Interesting...
Though, based on simple geography, I don't imagine that you guys have as many illegal immigrants as some other states.
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Post by koihoshi on May 13, 2006 17:40:17 GMT -5
Really? I dunno.... You should visit sometime. As racist as I'm trying not to be with that comment...
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Post by jumpymonky on Aug 2, 2006 13:53:21 GMT -5
Oregon you can't pump your own gas either....
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Post by Scott on Aug 7, 2006 20:26:15 GMT -5
I can't really say what the U. S. should do.
Because the U. S. is not a Christian nation.
The End.
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