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Post by metaldude on Sept 2, 2005 21:07:48 GMT -5
it didn't bother me to much, like the article said, everyone has a dark side, when you're on tour and stuff all the time, you get pushed to the edge and stuff, at least he's not saying the f-word. Underoath is still awsome.
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Post by Solid on Sept 2, 2005 21:16:28 GMT -5
but speaking in relation to this guy cussing... i have a friend who's very very close to God. he has some crazy crazy stories. he was saved from a life of witch craft and depression, and an attempted suicide. but he still smokes weed sometimes, and outside of church settings he has a pretty filthy mouth. but i know that he's covered by the blood of christ, and he's walking with God... if we all could all understand how merciful God is... it would blow our minds. but all i plan on doing is loving my friend. and i do love him...so i can't imagine trying to convict him. i know he's really seeking God, and when the time comes, he'll let go, and he'll be set free. speaking of underoath...you guys heard "maylene and the sons of disaster" yet? underoath's old vocalist and some guys from alabama... they're on mono vs stereo. southern rock/metal, very southern sounding vocals... i like it. you can check out one of their songs on myspace: www.myspace.com/mayleneandthesonsofdisasterHehe, I think most of us on this board has heard about Maylene. I like them too. I heard about them from the Alabamans on here.
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Post by underoath13 on Sept 3, 2005 0:55:17 GMT -5
i'll be honest here...i really disagree with the person that said that it's a good idea not for them to share their faith because you're going to listen to their music and stuff...but God didn't give them the talents for them to just go play music...they were given those talents to glorify God and i know that if they do it with all their hearts for God, He is glorified...but God also commanded us to go to all the nations and preach the gospel...doesnt mean we have to go to like African and stuff...but we should all be missionaries even at home, with our friends, families, strangers....as Christians we shouldnt be ashamed to share the Gospel and be willing to preach it (not shove it down ppl throats)...we are called to plant the seed, God does the rest...how can we plant a seed by just waiting for ppl to realize that we're Christians...this are just my views...and about the cursing and stuff...i just have some scripture that shows God's view on this issue...not my view *1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. *1 Peter 1:13-16 13Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy." *3 John 11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. *1 John 2:6 Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did. *1 John 1:5-7 5This is the message we have heard from Him and declare to you: God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin *1 Peter 3:10-12 10For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. 11He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. 12For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil." *James 3:9-10 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. *James 1:21 Therefore, get rid of ALL MORAL FILTH and the EVIL that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can cave you.
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Post by Solid on Sept 3, 2005 1:44:30 GMT -5
I just thought of something funny...when UO makes a new album, what if it bombs? Haha...ok, I thought it was funny. Let's go back to seriousness. Oh, and good job on knowing the word Underoath, that's something I highly respect.
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Post by underoath13 on Sept 3, 2005 13:26:42 GMT -5
thanks i guess...i actually didn't know all the scripture from memory but i knew where to look for that scripture...when i started having devotionals i started on the New Testament and i learned a lot...so everytime i'm doing my devotionals i underline passages that i know will help me some way or another or just passages that have really good messages...so i encourage all of you who don't have daily devotionals to start now...having devotionals is so awesome because the more you do it, the more it becomes an act of worship and love rather than something you're forced to do...the same way we pray to God, God answers through His word...but yea...btw, maylene and the sons of disaster are sweeeeeeeet....in my opinion, they crush new underoath
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Post by hitokiri on Sept 3, 2005 14:47:39 GMT -5
i'll be honest here...i really disagree with the person that said that it's a good idea not for them to share their faith because you're going to listen to their music and stuff...but God didn't give them the talents for them to just go play music...they were given those talents to glorify God and i know that if they do it with all their hearts for God Which is true and who says they are not playing with all thier hears for God? I'm going to use an example to illustrate what I mean. God gave me the gift of art. Does this mean I have to use it to glorify Him? I should however it doesn't mean I have to do Christian art. I wrote comics that aren't considered Christian but are void of cussing, sex, or extreme gory violence for the sake of violence. I would be misusing my talents if my art contained that. However, I do proclaim myself a Christian and those who read my comics may see that I am a Christian and even though my comics are exactly Christ-centered, I keep them wholesome. Same with Underoath. They play music and it's obvious that they express who thier God is and thier faith through thier lyrics and actions. However, just because they proclaim thier faith through concerts or such doesn't mean they aren't glorifying God. They play good music for people who otherwise wouldn't usually recieve Christian influences in life. I agree with you for the most part. Christians are called out to be disciples. Someon'es preaching though could be another's shoving down a person's throat. Meaning, if you think you're just explaining what faith means to you and God. To the person you're saying this to, it could be you shoving down you're faith down his/her throats. Therefore, they are tuned off from God and Christianity and harden their hearts. Same case with concerts with UO. They don't want to hear the gospel or them preaching...they just want music. However, UO can help plant a c.d. by the person listening to the words. I'm just trying to point something different about Christian bands who play secular shows. What may seem as doing good may actually be a negative consequencem such as someone tuning from from Christnaity. I did not see that part. Wether he was tired or not, the drummer should be well aware that he is talking to a magazine i.e. media and therefore, if he claims himself to be Christian, should try to maintain a sense of Christian's Society view of Christians of clean cut people. A bad stereotype, sure, but we are seen as hypocrites if we go outside that stereotype and because of that our testiomny is damaged. LOL That was great. "Old school straight edge vegans" ::laughs:: That is very much true. On that, I agree with Chris hundred percent.
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Post by timeschange on Sept 5, 2005 21:43:30 GMT -5
so true, man that is sooo true! i really enjoyed reading this topic and it made me think about how i act and should act. props to everyone who said anything on this topic, and yes by the way i have heard maylene, they are awesome. im looking to buy their cd when it comes out. for sure.
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Post by kansascitykid on Sept 6, 2005 0:30:53 GMT -5
i just want to know what you (underoath) considers shoving down the throat versus preaching. i mean to me preaching can go as far as saying we are a christian band if you want to know what that means to us come talk to us afterwords, not necessarily giving an alter call at every show.
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Post by Solid on Sept 6, 2005 0:49:18 GMT -5
Preaching-talking about something...teaching-showing something...Christian band-being an example and having spiritual influences in the music. That's how I classify things.
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Post by Music Is Everything on Sept 7, 2005 13:52:20 GMT -5
Preaching from the stage is not necessary. But I think you should still share your beliefs on stage, For example, On last years Summer of Darkness tour None of the bands really said anything religious except for Haste the Day. During the begining of a song, he yelled "Scream if you love Jesus". I loved it, and i wished Dead Poetic (even though the guy from He Is Legend was filling in on vocals) and Demon Hunter would have done the same thing.
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Post by Solid on Sept 7, 2005 17:27:46 GMT -5
Why in the world was the guy from He Is Legend filling in on vocals? They weren't on the tour.
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Post by underoath13 on Sept 8, 2005 18:33:21 GMT -5
i just want to know what you (underoath) considers shoving down the throat versus preaching. i mean to me preaching can go as far as saying we are a christian band if you want to know what that means to us come talk to us afterwords, not necessarily giving an alter call at every show. k...here's the way i see it...i disagree with shoving down the throat because to me that's just like if you're comdemning someone and judging them, and then telling them if you're not a Christian then you're no good and stuff like that, forcing people to be Christians...on the other hand, preaching i believe is presenting the truth of Christ in a way that people feel conviction and feel the need of a Savior...I'm passionate about preaching God's word to others and i just do it because it saddens me that so many people who we see everyday and stuff are going straight to hell because they don't know Christ...Jesus wasn't afraid to tell others the truth and He always went straight to the point....we are to be like Him and for that reason that's why when we preach we ought to do it with love and at the same time present it in truth...many people are afraid to mention to non-believers about hell but it should be mentioned because it is a real place and many of the ones we know are heading there.....you don't have to go into every datail when you preach but you can always say something like...God is not a religion, do you have a personal relationship with Him?...He loves you today and He loved you almost 2000 years ago when He died for you...All he's doing is reaching His hand out to you and you either take it or reject it...you're not promised your next minute of life, are you ready to come face to face with God?...What about your eternal future..........you dondt have say it exactly like that but you get the idea.....i love it when bands mention God at shows but sometimes it just seems too vague...many religions say they love God and stuff but that doesn't mean they're children of God....i guess my point is that we have to be more clearly when we mention God and His love
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Post by Chad on Sept 8, 2005 22:00:01 GMT -5
i really do love underoath... but yeah, that really does disappoint me that aaron used that kinda language, i mean, i slip every once and a while, so i can understamd i guess, but still, he was in an interview, i think he shoulda paid more attention to what he was saying...
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Post by eclipsex08 on Sept 10, 2005 21:52:35 GMT -5
Underoath is an awesome band one of my favorites! Their lyrics are very profound and beautiful!
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Post by Chad on Sept 11, 2005 20:56:04 GMT -5
did you even read what this thread is about? lol
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