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Post by underoath13 on Aug 26, 2005 0:44:02 GMT -5
i'm not sure how many of you guys here have read their interview on AP magzine.....i read some stuff that bothered me and i know that to other Christians is no big deal but i want to hear your opinions. I know we're not perfect and we all make mistakes but i also believe that we as Christians should set the example, and specially if you're in a well-known band like underoath because a lot of ppl usually look up to them...well, here's the deal. On 3 different parts of the interview aaron, the drummer, used the sh** word...i don't wanna sound like i'm whinning and just trying to be a jerk but with all my heart i believe that as Christians we shouldn't cuss. I admit that when i just became a Christian i still cussed a lot and did a lot of things that were wrong...but those guys have been Christians longer and i'm sure they know that if they read the bible, God despises that kind of language...the excuse that the reporter gave was that aaron was tired...the 2nd thing that bothered me was this comment from Chris (the dude on the keyboard): "'We've never been the kind of band to ram our beliefs down on people, like you have to believe what we believe. Like those old-school-straight-edge vegans that talk on stage for 10 minutes. I'm like, 'dude, i just want to see your band.'" ---- Pretty what they said is that they want to show people that they're happy because of Jesus by the way they act on stage and the way they live...i have nothing against that BUT Jesus Christ himself commanded us to GO to the world and PROCLAIM His gospel...trying to show people the way you live isn't enough...they did say that at shows they'll mention "something" about their faith and if ppl want to talk with them then they do....but talking about salvation through Christ shouldn't be seen as "ramming beliefs down on people"...even if it's for like 5 or 10 minutes like chris said...well, i guess i'm done....i'm not condemning any of the underoath guys, hope no one took it that way...God bless kiddos
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Post by Solid on Aug 26, 2005 16:10:07 GMT -5
That's pretty disapointing. I kinda got the feeling since their new sound, that they haven't been as good of a role model as they used to be. UnderOath is one band I continue to pray for.
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Post by In Christ, the metalhead on Aug 26, 2005 21:51:38 GMT -5
Yeah, i totally agree with you guys, i don't want to say anything either way, however, because i don't want to condemn or judge them, but i agree with ,and understand what you guys mean...
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Post by amoyensis on Aug 27, 2005 11:25:24 GMT -5
Can someone provide Scripture reference against 'cussing'? I understand that using that kind of language in anger would be sinful, but in the way that this guy is using it, I'm not so sure.
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Post by Luke on Aug 27, 2005 13:02:30 GMT -5
Cries of the Past to me was underoath's best album. There new alternative sound isnt very impressive.
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Post by Solid on Aug 27, 2005 14:05:22 GMT -5
"There should not be any unwholesome talk among you." I forgot where it is, other that it's in the New Testament.
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Post by amoyensis on Aug 27, 2005 14:44:05 GMT -5
"There should not be any unwholesome talk among you." I forgot where it is, other that it's in the New Testament. Could you define 'unwholesome' though? I mean, Paul compares all of his accomplishments pre-Christ to 'dung', and Jesus himself often calls the Pharisees bad names ('brood of vipers' and all that).
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Post by kansascitykid on Aug 27, 2005 15:49:09 GMT -5
yah haha syntax is tricky, honestly i think that the actual words are not usually the "sin" its the intention, like if you say sh*t just because everyone says your not supposed to. The general rule of thumb for me though is if its going to cause a problem for a new believer then dont do it. Im sure someone will find that fine Pauline text and post it.
As far as shoving our beliefs down peoples throats, they make alot of sense. If youve seen BTA then you know (at least in KC) that they do pretty much the same thing, and here in KC I know for a fact that it worked pretty well since at least one person was talking to them afterwords.
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Post by FearlessRootsRH on Aug 27, 2005 18:36:22 GMT -5
Ephesians5:4
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
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Post by Solid on Aug 28, 2005 1:41:47 GMT -5
When I hear cursing, it's a stumbling block for me. In the Bible, it says we are not to cause our brother to stumble. Sometimes, when I think I am not listening to someone mouth off, laster that day I almost slip-up, but usually never finish the word. But it makes me feel so guilty inside and it makes me feel a little more farther from God.
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Post by amoyensis on Aug 29, 2005 17:06:34 GMT -5
I get where you guys are coming from, and I definitely agree to a great extent, but I think a case can be made in favour of 'cuss words' not being inherently negative. For example, one of my friends was talking about a sermon that he heard which was completely non-Biblical (I think it was a faith-for-wealth type of sermon), and he described it as 'bullsh*t.' I think it was a pretty appropriate term, but I dunno.
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Post by hitokiri on Aug 31, 2005 20:27:53 GMT -5
If Underoath chooses not to openly proclaim thier faith to thier audience, it's thier choice. Personally, even though I am a Christian, I would prefer a band to not shove thier beliefs or morals down b=my throat. I go there to listen to music, not to be "preached" to. Plus in this way, when someone who is unaware of UO's stance on faith but realizes it in thier music, they come into the realization they these guys are Christians but not thier own view of what they should be. In a way, UO has become the bait, if you will, of accepting Christianity. So if they choose not to share the message during a show, it's thier choice. They are there to play music however they are also thier to connect to people who wish to be connected. Someone who is intrested in the Christian faith will seek out someone who is familiar with it on thier own, not by a band that is shoving the gospel down there throats. Sorry if this seems somewhat radical or ... unchristian but that's how I view "Christian" bands.
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Post by amoyensis on Sept 2, 2005 16:11:37 GMT -5
I think a relationship with Christ can only be developed, not told to someone. Therefore I think relationships should be our priority when ministering to someone, rather than just our words. Notice how Jesus most often related to people first before convicting them of their sin.
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Post by raggedy on Sept 2, 2005 20:56:22 GMT -5
i think there are so many issues with christians today(which is a given because we aren't perfect) that i couldn't imagine debating it...(we are saved by grace) i know that God is raising up people in different areas of ministry, and with different gifts and different personalities that may seem weird to some, but i just want to be a light on the hill... that's it.
i think words are rarely enough... in all the time i've spend with God, i've never felt his judgement on me... even in the midst of all the terrible things i've done. i believe that when jesus said loving the lord your God, and loving your neighbor were the greatest commandments, he meant it.
it just seems like we try to cram words in peoples faces that they don't understand. if it's about relationship, then what are we showing these lost people? are we showing them the love of God or are we showing them that we disagree with them and want them to change? God is love... why don't we share the love he places in us through real relationship with these people?
and i'm not speaking against proclaiming the gospel, but i think that the focus is to just truely love people. they'll see that we have something they're missing, something that the world could never give them. and if we're really walking in love we're going to want to share these important things in the bible anyways... the bible is very very vital, but i think it's time we truely walk in love and mercy.
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Post by raggedy on Sept 2, 2005 21:00:50 GMT -5
but speaking in relation to this guy cussing... i have a friend who's very very close to God. he has some crazy crazy stories. he was saved from a life of witch craft and depression, and an attempted suicide. but he still smokes weed sometimes, and outside of church settings he has a pretty filthy mouth. but i know that he's covered by the blood of christ, and he's walking with God... if we all could all understand how merciful God is... it would blow our minds. but all i plan on doing is loving my friend. and i do love him...so i can't imagine trying to convict him. i know he's really seeking God, and when the time comes, he'll let go, and he'll be set free. speaking of underoath...you guys heard "maylene and the sons of disaster" yet? underoath's old vocalist and some guys from alabama... they're on mono vs stereo. southern rock/metal, very southern sounding vocals... i like it. you can check out one of their songs on myspace: www.myspace.com/mayleneandthesonsofdisaster
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