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Post by phillip on May 8, 2006 18:13:37 GMT -5
we should all get electric cars... or not.
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Post by Samhain on May 8, 2006 21:44:00 GMT -5
Ethanol, man. We need ethanol. They use ethanol in Brazil, they still offer gasoline, but come on, ethanol is way cheaper. Or if you want more miles to the gallon than regular ethanol use a mix of both.
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Post by Solid on May 8, 2006 23:10:39 GMT -5
The feet...yes, what beats God's original way of transportation?
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Post by phillip on May 9, 2006 17:56:25 GMT -5
The feet...yes, what beats God's original way of transportation? uh... cars do? ;D
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Post by Solid on May 9, 2006 20:31:11 GMT -5
*thunder*
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Post by amoyensis on May 9, 2006 21:06:37 GMT -5
Get a diesel engine and then buy a conversion kit to make it run off vegetable oil. It burns fairly clean and you can get the fuel for free. See, restaurants have to pay a company to come and take their used vegetable oil away. So if you ask them if you can just siphon it off, they'll be happy to oblige. All you then have to do is filter it. The guys in mewithoutYou run their tour bus off veggie oil and they get free fuel from restaurants wherever they go.
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Post by Samhain on May 9, 2006 21:36:17 GMT -5
Hey, that's smart, especially for touring bands. Man that cuts a huge portion of the costs.
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Post by amoyensis on May 9, 2006 22:05:25 GMT -5
Yeah. All you really have to do is put up with the hassle and dirt of filtering your own fuel.
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Post by splinteredvisions on May 10, 2006 4:05:27 GMT -5
Here in Michigan it's at $2.77 which is annoying because I filled up at $2.89 and it dropped RIGHT after that! That seems to happen to me alot and it ticks me off!
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Post by Solid on May 11, 2006 17:41:55 GMT -5
I told a bunch of people about the grease idea a long time ago, and they all thought I was being really stupid...
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Post by koihoshi on May 11, 2006 17:57:33 GMT -5
Well IF... and IF the rumors are true I would expect a serious conflict coming up soon.
Supposably colorado (and this is what i've been reading, hearing and getting from a few sources I know) has enough oil to last the us and several countries for hundreds of years.
IF this is true... it isn't that there is a lack of oil, but a lack of refining capacity.
Now if this is true, imagine what will happen...
First off... several states and plants and factories are trying to go ethanol or alternative fuel due to this "oil crisis". Ethanol gets bad mileage, it just burns differently compared to regular fuel (has a higher octane rating and what not). So, with the burst of this "ethanol" craze that you're seeing possibly coming up it could end up being maybe half and half. Within the next few years I'm sure you're going to see more alternative fuel vehicles become available, but right now ethanol stations are very few among everywhere. I'd have to drive 2 hours to fill my tank up with ethanol if i wanted it.
So if this colorado story is true (and it sounds like it may be), you can bet that till the next election that politcal parties will use these gas prices as leverage saying "I told you so! should have voted for us, see what happened?" so there is most likely a lot of political pressure we're all going to see for a while. Gas prices may keep going up, i'm sure they will, and to be honest, it's only hurt my pocket like $15 extra a month... so it isn't THAT big of a deal. Even if it hits $4 a gallon it'll hurt me more like $25 a month... with the misc mods i've made to my zx2 i get about 35-37mpg, with my ninja being regeared with a new larger sprocket its about 60mpg. But imagine what the people with the big rigs are feeling? Now that I CAN understand when it's $60-80 to fill up.
Either way... I wouldn't expect the prices to go down IMMEDIATELY. You know America, if we have something we don't like, we'll complain or do something till even something temporary (if not permanent) is changed... at least usually, HAH!
My thought would be that politics are going to use the gas prices for leverage... to play wars with the "we told you so" wars, and then magically come up with "proposal for better refining capacity" and prices will lower after all this political stuff blows over for now, but that would only be if the colorado story were true and we did something with it if it were or is true. Either way, the prices I highly doubt are due to lack of oil.
Just my own $.02
Don't take my word for it, I can't tell the future, but only the future will tell.
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Post by koihoshi on May 11, 2006 18:06:53 GMT -5
we should all get electric cars... or not. Don't bother. Some hybrids aren't getting as good of mileage as some of the regular running fuel cars. Not to mention the batteries when they go out and the cost to maintain those cars is higher. Think of the cost per mile. You pay $3.00 a gallon for gas in either car... You get an extra 5-8mpg... maybe 10 if its a super great hybrid... Batteries go out, electronics bust, things need replaced eventually, $$$$$$$$$ The only major difference between some of the hybrids is mainly their design for the aerodynamics. Many of them are running just as efficient engines are regular cars, they just turn the engine off and run on battery in town.. Main difference on some of the better hybrids for the aerodynamics is the co-efficient of drag, for instance your earlier 90s model cars for the hondas and what not are like a .35-.40 now they're in the .3-.35 range and some of the hybrids have even been recorded in the high .20s range. So the lower the number, the less drag/wind resistance and the easier it is for your car to use its power to maintain speed instead of fighting it on the highway. So.... better mileage. But even some of the regular hondas and fords and mazdas are getting high 30mpg ratings which are HIGHER than some hybrids. Electric cars are great for the economy yes, but still are spendy on your pocket.
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Post by Solid on May 11, 2006 21:49:46 GMT -5
Well IF... and IF the rumors are true I would expect a serious conflict coming up soon. Supposably colorado (and this is what i've been reading, hearing and getting from a few sources I know) has enough oil to last the us and several countries for hundreds of years. IF this is true... it isn't that there is a lack of oil, but a lack of refining capacity. Now if this is true, imagine what will happen... First off... several states and plants and factories are trying to go ethanol or alternative fuel due to this "oil crisis". Ethanol gets bad mileage, it just burns differently compared to regular fuel (has a higher octane rating and what not). So, with the burst of this "ethanol" craze that you're seeing possibly coming up it could end up being maybe half and half. Within the next few years I'm sure you're going to see more alternative fuel vehicles become available, but right now ethanol stations are very few among everywhere. I'd have to drive 2 hours to fill my tank up with ethanol if i wanted it. So if this colorado story is true (and it sounds like it may be), you can bet that till the next election that politcal parties will use these gas prices as leverage saying "I told you so! should have voted for us, see what happened?" so there is most likely a lot of political pressure we're all going to see for a while. Gas prices may keep going up, i'm sure they will, and to be honest, it's only hurt my pocket like $15 extra a month... so it isn't THAT big of a deal. Even if it hits $4 a gallon it'll hurt me more like $25 a month... with the misc mods i've made to my zx2 i get about 35-37mpg, with my ninja being regeared with a new larger sprocket its about 60mpg. But imagine what the people with the big rigs are feeling? Now that I CAN understand when it's $60-80 to fill up. Either way... I wouldn't expect the prices to go down IMMEDIATELY. You know America, if we have something we don't like, we'll complain or do something till even something temporary (if not permanent) is changed... at least usually, HAH! My thought would be that politics are going to use the gas prices for leverage... to play wars with the "we told you so" wars, and then magically come up with "proposal for better refining capacity" and prices will lower after all this political stuff blows over for now, but that would only be if the colorado story were true and we did something with it if it were or is true. Either way, the prices I highly doubt are due to lack of oil. Just my own $.02 Don't take my word for it, I can't tell the future, but only the future will tell. *robs two cents and uses it for gas*
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Post by koihoshi on May 12, 2006 10:15:09 GMT -5
DANGIT, you got me. haha. You stole my pennies1!!!11oneone!
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Post by amoyensis on May 12, 2006 13:28:13 GMT -5
There's definitely enough oil for a long time. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to spend for it. Right now, oil refineries just take the stuff off the top; in other words, we've just been using the stuff that's easiest to get. They take it, then close up the project even though there's plenty of oil left. It will take more time and money to get the rest of the stuff, so we'll have enough, it will simply be expensive.
I think hybrids will start becoming more prevalent when the technology becomes more efficient. And it will, just based on the intrinsic rate of technological advance.
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