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Post by davo on Nov 14, 2009 17:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by Brent on Nov 14, 2009 23:34:48 GMT -5
it is logical to you but not logical to me. A friend of mine, she had one leg a little bit shorter than the other, causing her to have a back ache.... when praying I see her shorter leg growing with my own eyes, it ain't logical to you I get some faith? you cannot verify that your prayer did f**king anything. You can believe it, yes. If you believe in prayer, you believe it works everytime. You can't just pick and choose when to say 'THANK YOU GOD FOR ANSWERING MY PRAYER' What happens when you pray and nothing happens? Does God only pick and choose what is important and answer that prayer? It doesn't make any f**king sense. There's a word for things that happen in front of your eyes which you want or predict. It's called a coincidence. I cannot prove or disprove your experience. You have no evidence your prayer to God in fantasyland had any affect. The video I posted is irrefutable. Every time you've posted in this thread, there is an answer to be found in the vid. Please watch it thanks.
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Post by conner on Nov 14, 2009 23:59:07 GMT -5
*watches video*
*falls asleep*
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Post by Josh on Nov 15, 2009 0:00:31 GMT -5
^^^^^^^
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Post by Brent on Nov 15, 2009 0:53:42 GMT -5
needs more auto tune and crotch shots
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Post by conner on Nov 15, 2009 1:21:56 GMT -5
more like
needs more logic
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Post by runny on Nov 15, 2009 1:22:31 GMT -5
The video brings up valid points.
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Post by Maarten on Nov 15, 2009 4:48:35 GMT -5
you cannot verify that your prayer did f**king anything. You can believe it, yes. If you believe in prayer, you believe it works everytime. You can't just pick and choose when to say 'THANK YOU GOD FOR ANSWERING MY PRAYER' What happens when you pray and nothing happens? Does God only pick and choose what is important and answer that prayer? It doesn't make any f**king sense. There's a word for things that happen in front of your eyes which you want or predict. It's called a coincidence. I cannot prove or disprove your experience. You have no evidence your prayer to God in fantasyland had any affect. The video I posted is irrefutable. Every time you've posted in this thread, there is an answer to be found in the vid. Please watch it thanks. What, legs growing is a coïncidence? Look, if it's some random disease, they sometimes heal sporadically, but if you find me a medical explanation for why that leg would go growing, I'll take back my argument. Also, note that prayers may not be fulfilled if they are offered without faith. Mostly the person being prayed for is talked into guilt by saying he lacks faith, I'm against that though, if my prayers arn't awnsered directly, either God has some purpose or trial for the person sick, or I didn't have enough faith. Also, note that of the times I've prayed for healing, a little less then 10 times I think, I can only remember two times the person didn't get healed. Look, the bottomline is, random diseases may heal by placebo or coïncidentally, but legs don't go growing because you want them to, legs go growing when God makes them grow. It's your choice whether you believe I saw a leg growing when I prayed for it, I can't prove that to you. I can show you video's of people with legs of two different legs where the shorter grows, when prayed for, but yeah, you'll just believe them to be fake.
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Post by Brent on Nov 15, 2009 5:41:22 GMT -5
Your argument sucks dick.
First of all, neither us is a doctor, so let's just get that out of the way that both of us don't know anything about why legs grow or don't grow.
Bottom line, you can't prove there is a God, therefore you cannot prove he made their legs grow. You cannot prove something exists outside of our realm. We've beaten this to death, and I will continue to beat it to death because God does not dwell on Earth. There is zero evidence of this. Watch the first couple minutes of the video, the guy explains it.
No matter how much anecdotal evidence you have Vandenberg, you can't prove or disprove God's existence.
It doesn't matter how many times you pray or don't pray, you cannot prove those prayers directly cause something to happen.
Correlation does not equal causation no matter how much you would like it too.
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Post by Maarten on Nov 15, 2009 6:34:19 GMT -5
You know, if you'd be consequent in your philosophy, nothing could be proven, and you'd become a miserable person, but right now, you just use it as an excuse for proving yourself right.
I mean, seriously, the girl told me a few friends about her back-ache after a service, we confirmed that one of her legs was shorter than the other, we prayed for like 30 seconds, we checked again, both legs were equally long, and the girl hasn't had any back-ache since. (this was precisely two weeks ago.)
I mean, before people had modern biology, if somebody punched somebody else in the face, and the punched person felt pain, they couldn't prove the punch caused the pain, they didn't have a clue how it works, but still everybody accepted it is the punch that causes the pain. Would you say it is wrong to assume that punching somebody causes him to feel pain, if you have no knowledge of nerves etc.?
I wouldn't, and despite not seeing how the healing worked, I can only assume that the God I prayed to, according to what He has told us through the bible, healed her. I just did what the bible told me to, and I got the ridicouless, immpossible result the bible promissed me.
(The bible does give information about what's up when somebody might not heal, if you're going to bring that up again, but I don't think you want to make this into a theological debate. )
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Post by alastairjohnjack on Nov 15, 2009 7:42:55 GMT -5
Vandenberg, sure, prayer requires faith (isn't faith given to people?) but does that mean that God will always answer us? (Do not answer this, because those of us with some form of intellect already have a partial understanding of the answer)
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Post by Muffy on Nov 15, 2009 10:30:43 GMT -5
Van, for all we know, you could have just seen an illusion. Or you are an illusionist yourself. www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-119821.0.htmlEven if I saw your friends leg "growing longer" I doubt I'd see it as much more than a trick. Right Gangrene? Brent? Brene? Alastair? WTF do I call you?
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Post by Maarten on Nov 15, 2009 10:42:01 GMT -5
Look, if it had been some healer/preacher guy, okay, but it is a friend of mine.
It's your own choice if you don't believe me, but what I'm telling you I saw leaves no room for fakes.
Maybe another story, which couldn't have been faked, since I picked the guy in question up at the hospital earlier that day, because on his way to church that morning, he got hit by a car.
Basically, on his way to church, he got hit by a car. He was taken to the hospital, and his arm was seriously injured, it wasn't broken, but it hurted a lot, it was bandaged by the doctors 'n all, and it couldn't move, not because it hurt too much to move it, he physically couldn't move his arm due to the injury. However, that friend of mine was supposed to go on a missionary trip to Moldavia in a month, but the doctors said it would take several months before his arm would be properly healed.
Now, as I said, he left the hospital later that day, with that diagnosis. In the evening me and another friend went praying for healing for him. We were praying and worshipping that evening for about 3 hours, and during those three hours the pain slowly but steadily left, and, whilst his arm was supposed to take months to heal, he could play the piano and guitar again the last hour of those three hours, and, obviously go on the missionary trip to Moldavia.
That injured friend must have been one great actor, going to such great lengths as even getting the doctors to participate in his scam........ or maybe God exists, and still does miracles, like the bible seems to tell us, and he healed my friend that night. To nobody's suprise, I'm going for the latter option.
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Post by Muffy on Nov 15, 2009 11:10:31 GMT -5
Ok.
If you say so.
I wonder, if you prayed for your friends dick to grow longer, would it happen?
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Post by Maarten on Nov 15, 2009 11:18:16 GMT -5
Let's make jokes instead of care about God.
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