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Post by Brent on Sept 16, 2009 18:16:56 GMT -5
Feverstone wins the award for trying harder than anyone ever at trying to argue a point. Jesus Christ, I thought Ithalyn tried too hard.
I can simplify N/A's argument as social norms and key demographics. The key demographic of Christianity is white, extroverted/emotional people. And that is the majority of Americans. So basically, in America, the social norm is to be Christian.
Every country can be examined the same way. The majority will in turn create the social norm. Religion is no different than any other form of media in the sense that it has an audience, and caters to that audience. In general, Religion caters to and appeals to emotional human beings, human beings who will put blind faith in a creator or creators. Not every religion is like that, some stress the importance of logic, but you guys know what religions I'm talking about here.
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Post by Josh on Sept 16, 2009 18:21:00 GMT -5
I dont even try anymore.
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Post by Brent on Sept 16, 2009 18:22:28 GMT -5
If you tried arguing in FB&O, you would probably sound like Feverstone.
Especially with the try-hard generic internet lingo
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Post by nightometal on Sept 16, 2009 18:25:05 GMT -5
CLOUDS =/= CIRCUS BEARS ICECREAM = INTERNET PORN I can do it too! Without any explanation or logical backup to my argument, I can intelligently participate in this very nice discussion by simply stating things as if they're facts. The Earth... is a giant pizza. Yum! But I'll stick with the discussion. Atheism =/= Smart. Do I win? You are incredibly clever.
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Post by Josh on Sept 16, 2009 18:32:48 GMT -5
If you tried arguing in FB&O, you would probably sound like Feverstone. Especially with the try-hard generic internet lingo Maybe thats why I dont. This stuff is to much serious business for me, therefore I let the smart people argue and get no where, while I sit back and worry about more important things.
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Post by feverstone on Sept 16, 2009 18:51:35 GMT -5
Feverstone wins the award for trying harder than anyone ever at trying to argue a point. Jesus Christ, I thought Ithalyn tried too hard. Good or bad thing? xD You forgot to step out of your time machine. The door must be stuck again. Stupid door. Anyway, yes the social norm was to be a Christian about 30 years ago. Now the social norm (easily predictable) is to rebel against Christianity since it was the social norm of the past. Sooner or later it'll probably full circle and become the norm again. I'm not following your point. Are social norms automatically false? Can social norms ever be right? It's dangerous business generalizing like that. I hope you're assuming that Christianity (to a degree) is based on logic. It's a popular saying today that "Christianity require blind faith alone." Like I said earlier, that isn't what the Bible teaches. That's something some stoned pastor came up with. Probably the same guy who said, "Jesus loves everyone." Yep, he loves people to death as he tosses them into Hell. *headdesk!!11* Another topic, mayaps. That's probably an insult to Ithalyn, but not to me. So far I think he's my favorite person on here. ...zing. Give me a few months and I'll be the same way. I like to debate when I first join a forum just to show what I stand for. I realize that forum debates 99.9% of the time lead absolutely no where.
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Post by Brent on Sept 16, 2009 19:00:02 GMT -5
Pretty sure the majority of Americans are Theist, and a majority of that majority is Christian. Don't be stupid. The internet is the place where non-theists dwell, which is why it may seem like there's rebellion.
If I made a graph of each country, I'm pretty sure it would turn out to be a normal distribution. About 68% or so would fall under the social norm. I'm not saying they're wrong.
Of course there is some logic in Bible, but there's also contradictions and complete non-sense. Christianity is a religion grounded in faith. Inarguable.
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Post by Scott on Sept 16, 2009 19:06:57 GMT -5
Grounded in, but not completely based upon. I'm also neither extroverted nor emotional.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 16, 2009 19:12:21 GMT -5
Like always, lot of progress has been made in this thread.
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Post by Brent on Sept 16, 2009 19:20:35 GMT -5
Grounded in, but not completely based upon. I'm also neither extroverted nor emotional. Both points: I know. This is why I've scratched my head at you. You are definitely not a dime a dozen Christian. You are very logical and introverted. Two usual characteristics of a non-theist. But the city you were in, Lubbock, was one of, if not the most conservative cities in America.
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Post by Josh on Sept 16, 2009 19:24:07 GMT -5
It doesnt even matter what you say or will say on the internet, nothing will impact or change somebody's views by sharing yours.
Its futile, you will be assimilated.
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Post by nofarttoofar on Sept 16, 2009 19:25:33 GMT -5
Grounded in, but not completely based upon. I'm also neither extroverted nor emotional. Both points: I know. This is why I've scratched my head at you. You are definitely not a dime a dozen Christian. You are very logical and introverted. Two usual characteristics of a non-theist. But the city you were in, Lubbock, was one of, if not the most conservative cities in America. He grew up in Austin, if that makes any difference.
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Post by Brent on Sept 16, 2009 19:28:34 GMT -5
Probably not, there are a million things you can factor in on what makes us who we are.
I believe demographics and upbringing do have an important role though.
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Post by feverstone on Sept 16, 2009 20:30:27 GMT -5
Pretty sure the majority of Americans are Theist, and a majority of that majority is Christian. Don't be stupid. The internet is the place where non-theists dwell, which is why it may seem like there's rebellion. Once again, you are sort of throwing out stuff that has little to no ground. I see where you're coming from, and maybe we're misunderstanding because I believe that there's a difference between being a christian and claiming that you're one. I've got friends who drink, smoke weed, curse, and have premarital sex... and they claim they're Christians. I'm not one to judge them, but I think that the polls on the subject are flawed. Too many people claim to be Christians who aren't. Aside that point, I also think that Atheism is a belief that is catching on like wildfire in America. I'm in the bloody Bible Belt and I have more Atheist friends than Christians. I'm also ignoring your internet comment about blah blah non-theists dwell on the blah wah wah. Yeah, don't say crap like that. You know that you have no clue about the primary religion of THE INTERNET. C'mon now. And I believe that you are assuming that there are contradictions when they aren't actually any there. One reason I believe this is because you've yet to list these contradictions. Second reason, I've researched contradictions I think I've found, and have read different essays and books on them. Every contradiction is easily explained and accounted for. Translating from Greek/Hebrew into English is not going to come about without mistakes. Christianity is grounded in just as much faith as Atheism. This, too, is completely inarguable. Our knowledge only goes BACK so far in Atheism, our knowledge only reaches so HIGH in Theism. There is definitely an aspect of faith. Faith does not automatically label something as illogical. Most of the greatest Atheist minds of our generation have stated that we simply do not know how our universe started--they have to deny their own science and believe that, somehow, something came from nothing. Theists, in this case, are the more logical of the two. They see that there had to be a beginning, they see that science states that something cannot come from nothing, thus we come to the conclusion that for anything to exist, something ALWAYS had to exist. Something eternal. For me personally, I believe this something is the God of the Bible.
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Post by Shiv on Sept 16, 2009 21:23:31 GMT -5
WEED IS EVIL CUSSING IS EVIL DRINKING IS EVIL SEX IS EVIL
that is where you fail
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